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  • bachophileB bachophile

    Vance wasnt on the agenda because Ghalibaf wasnt going. Steve and Jared are at the Aragchi level.

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    wrote last edited by Renauda
    #1216

    @bachophile said:

    Steve and Jared are at the Aragchi level.

    More like Rubio is on the Aragchi level. Putin has demonstrated that at most, Witkoff is on the Dmitriev level- that of a favoured nobody. Witkoff has yet to meet Lavrov outside of being seated at the table during the fleeting Alaska Love-in.

    Elbows up!

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      Interesting.

      "A Chinese businessman puts Trump’s blunders in perspective. 'Trump’s attack on Iran is less consequential than his threat to attack Greenland. When he did that, to America’s oldest allies, I knew Europe would not follow America’s approach to China.'”

      Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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        #1218

        Here's an interesting analysis by Ryan McBeth explaining why America may just be doing the right thing in taking out Iran's nuclear capability. The real reason is more religious than political.

        Link to video

        Ego similis habere bonum et non curat nunquam accipere malum.

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        • taiwan_girlT Online
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          #1219

          Interesting to see what happens. Will the republicans do something or just do nothing?

          The Trump administration is on course to blow past an initial deadline for congressional approval for the Iran war on the grounds that the ongoing cease-fire stopped the clock on a 60-day deadline—an assertion met with outrage from Democrats and skepticism from Republicans on Capitol Hill.

          Under a 1973 law called the War Powers Resolution, the president is required to notify Congress within 48 hours of military action and withdraw U.S. troops 60 days later, unless lawmakers declare war or authorize the use of force. The expectation on Capitol Hill was that the 60-day deadline expires on Friday.

          In testimony Thursday before the Senate Armed Services Committee, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said the current cease-fire with Iran, which began April 8, stopped the countdown.

          https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trump-iran-congress-approval-deadline-ff546611

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          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

            Interesting to see what happens. Will the republicans do something or just do nothing?

            The Trump administration is on course to blow past an initial deadline for congressional approval for the Iran war on the grounds that the ongoing cease-fire stopped the clock on a 60-day deadline—an assertion met with outrage from Democrats and skepticism from Republicans on Capitol Hill.

            Under a 1973 law called the War Powers Resolution, the president is required to notify Congress within 48 hours of military action and withdraw U.S. troops 60 days later, unless lawmakers declare war or authorize the use of force. The expectation on Capitol Hill was that the 60-day deadline expires on Friday.

            In testimony Thursday before the Senate Armed Services Committee, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said the current cease-fire with Iran, which began April 8, stopped the countdown.

            https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trump-iran-congress-approval-deadline-ff546611

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            #1220

            @taiwan_girl said:

            Interesting to see what happens. Will the republicans do something or just do nothing?

            To ask the question is to answer it.

            Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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            • Tom-KT Tom-K

              Here's an interesting analysis by Ryan McBeth explaining why America may just be doing the right thing in taking out Iran's nuclear capability. The real reason is more religious than political.

              Link to video

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              #1221

              @Tom-K

              Interesting analysis. Another compelling argument pointing out the futility of attempting to negotiate with religious fanatics.

              Elbows up!

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              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                Interesting to see what happens. Will the republicans do something or just do nothing?

                The Trump administration is on course to blow past an initial deadline for congressional approval for the Iran war on the grounds that the ongoing cease-fire stopped the clock on a 60-day deadline—an assertion met with outrage from Democrats and skepticism from Republicans on Capitol Hill.

                Under a 1973 law called the War Powers Resolution, the president is required to notify Congress within 48 hours of military action and withdraw U.S. troops 60 days later, unless lawmakers declare war or authorize the use of force. The expectation on Capitol Hill was that the 60-day deadline expires on Friday.

                In testimony Thursday before the Senate Armed Services Committee, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said the current cease-fire with Iran, which began April 8, stopped the countdown.

                https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trump-iran-congress-approval-deadline-ff546611

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                @taiwan_girl said:

                Interesting to see what happens. Will the republicans do something or just do nothing?

                https://apnews.com/article/iran-congress-war-powers-republicans-trump-authorization-41ef029df176a6486422e9d68aa6d872

                Republicans say they will defer to Trump on Iran war despite arrival of 60-day deadline

                ... Congress made no attempt at enforcing that requirement, leaving town for a week on Thursday ...

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                • MikM Offline
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                  wrote last edited by
                  #1223

                  As I said, this should have been done while W was in office. I supported it then and i support it now.

                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                    wrote last edited by
                    #1224

                    In principle, I support the stated objective to put an end to Iran’s nuclear ambitions and reduce its overall military threat to the region. What I don’t support is how it is being presented and executed.

                    Elbows up!

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                      #1225

                      I think there’s much more of a case for regime change in Iran than there was for Iraq in 2003. And it comes down to its jihadist nature and ambitions. I don’t think we (the civilized world) can coexist long term with that regime.

                      So yeah, regime change must be the goal.

                      My fear is that Trump will leave them intact but wounded and very pissed off and all the more determined, in the fullness of time, to take over the world for Shia Islam in which case it would have been better to not have attempted it at all.

                      I was cautiously hopeful on March 1st. Now I’m more pessimistic.

                      Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                        #1226

                        That’s not to say I think they’d ever be successful in taking over the world, but their strategy of creating armed proxies in many neighboring states can be globalized, and there’s evidence they are trying or have tried to do it in Europe and Latin America.

                        Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          I think there’s much more of a case for regime change in Iran than there was for Iraq in 2003. And it comes down to its jihadist nature and ambitions. I don’t think we (the civilized world) can coexist long term with that regime.

                          So yeah, regime change must be the goal.

                          My fear is that Trump will leave them intact but wounded and very pissed off and all the more determined, in the fullness of time, to take over the world for Shia Islam in which case it would have been better to not have attempted it at all.

                          I was cautiously hopeful on March 1st. Now I’m more pessimistic.

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                          #1227

                          @jon-nyc

                          Agree. Unless there is regime change in Iran, I do not see any of the stated objectives being realized in the long term. As I have already stated back in March, the Israelis understand that regime change is fundamental to achieving any of the short term military and long term political objectives. Likewise, I would think, in the US but that realisation is subordinated to other factors related to personalities and limited competencies at the very top of its civilian chain of command.

                          Elbows up!

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