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Hegseth to Anthropic: Nice company you got there…

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    xenon
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    Unmitigated idiocy at the helm.

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
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      #41

      The threat to classify Anthropic as a supply chain threat is idiotic. The conflicting motivations of a company that brands itself with the highest ethical standards, but who want to provide cutting edge technology to the DoD, seems reasonable and even inevitable.

      Education is extremely important.

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        https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-bans-anthropic-government-use-rcna261055

        ... “OpenAI CEO Sam Altman posted on X Friday night that the company had struck a deal with the Department of Defense to deploy its models on the department’s classified networks.”

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          Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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            Horace
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            OpenAI goes where Anthropic dared not to:

            Note that OpenAI's spin of the agreement makes it sound identical to what Anthropic demanded and the DoD refused. I wonder what the practical differences are.

            Education is extremely important.

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              OpenAI goes where Anthropic dared not to:

              Note that OpenAI's spin of the agreement makes it sound identical to what Anthropic demanded and the DoD refused. I wonder what the practical differences are.

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              @Horace pwned ... look three posts up.

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                @Horace pwned ... look three posts up.

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                Horace
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                @Axtremus my post contained the crucial insight that openAI’s agreement is described as identical to what Anthropic offered. Therefore my contribution is objectively superior to yours.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  Mik
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                  My take? It is a discussion best approached quietly, not with the usual public belligerence of this administration. It looks petulant whether they are right or wrong and Anthropic looks like good citizens. The company framed this beautifully. Sometimes Trump et al just don't seem to know what fights are not wise to pick.

                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                    Seems to me the important part happened after that. The remedy if they don’t give you what you want is to find a different vendor. Not crush what very well may be the leading AI company in the country.

                    Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                      Yeah, that too. If I were a CEO it would not make me eager to deal with this administration, preferring to see who is next. But that kind of ties in with what fight to pick.

                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                        What they were specifically asking for is starting to leak out.

                        Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                          Does Anthropic or any gen AI company these days prevent the use of AI on "unclassified commercial data"? By that definition, that data is already available (probably for purchase) by any company or prompt jockey. Unless you think it's a coincidence that you searched for Dyson vacuums or walked by a Dyson vacuum store and start seeing ads for them.

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                            Horace
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                            This just in from the Department of Obvious Reality:

                            OpenAI CEO says company can't tell Pentagon how to use its AI tech

                            https://seekingalpha.com/news/4560857-openai-ceo-says-company-cant-tell-pentagon-how-to-use-its-ai-tech?share_source=shared_news?source=reddit

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              The Department of Obvious Reality observes contract law. And yes, indeed, a technology company can explicitly exclude certain uses of its technology. (In fact there was an example of this in the news just last week).

                              The remedy for a customer is to switch vendors. Perhaps even a law suit if they think a contract was violated. It ends there. It does not include using government power to punish the company let alone threaten its viability.

                              Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                                The Department of Obvious Reality observes contract law. And yes, indeed, a technology company can explicitly exclude certain uses of its technology. (In fact there was an example of this in the news just last week).

                                The remedy for a customer is to switch vendors. Perhaps even a law suit if they think a contract was violated. It ends there. It does not include using government power to punish the company let alone threaten its viability.

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                                @jon-nyc said in Hegseth to Anthropic: Nice company you got there…:

                                The Department of Obvious Reality observes contract law. And yes, indeed, a technology company can explicitly exclude certain uses of its technology. (In fact there was an example of this in the news just last week).

                                Tantalizing. But since you didn't cite the example, I assume it's not a very good analogy to a defense contractor trying to limit what the DoD can do, within the law.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  Despite the relatively narrow focus of this particular instance, it's a conversation on guardrails we badly need to have and, I think, constructive.

                                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                    Horace
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                                    It’s a good conversation to have, but we can’t control what the rest of the world will do, and we’re not going to competitively hamstring ourselves. At least not until enough America hating Dems take the reins. It’s easy to see undercurrents of the more progressive left who would be happy to see America lose military and economic superiority.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      The issue really isnt whether amthropic is more or less conservative than OpenAI or Xai in terms of what they’ll provide. Someone is going to satisfy the desires of the pentagon.

                                      The issue is the government punishing a company for not bowing to its demands.

                                      Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                                        The issue really isnt whether amthropic is more or less conservative than OpenAI or Xai in terms of what they’ll provide. Someone is going to satisfy the desires of the pentagon.

                                        The issue is the government punishing a company for not bowing to its demands.

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                                        Horace
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                                        @jon-nyc said in Hegseth to Anthropic: Nice company you got there…:

                                        The issue really isnt whether amthropic is more or less conservative than OpenAI or Xai in terms of what they’ll provide. Someone is going to satisfy the desires of the pentagon.

                                        The issue is the government punishing a company for not bowing to its demands.

                                        Everybody in this thread has stipulated that that's wrong. And whether something is your issue or not, for your personal dunking purposes, does not define what all the issues are. Anthropic's attempt to rein in the DoD's usage of its technology is a very important issue, and probably of longer term consequence than the idiotic retribution from the Trump administration against Anthropic.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                          I’d say the opposite. DoD will swap out Anthropic in a few months. If the punishment isn’t reversed in court Anthropic could go from being one of the worlds best AI firms to a non player. Given the stakes of the global competition that seems potentially costly.

                                          Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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