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Some good news (not)

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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
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    Especially if they never claim Social Security.

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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    • LuFins DadL Offline
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      I’m sure that we can tax our way out of that….

      The Brad

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        I saw a statistic today that there are about twice as many 65+ year olds as there were in 2004 and about the same number of 18 year olds.

        And, whatever you think of immigration, far fewer working age immigrants to help fill the gap.

        89th8 Online
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        @jon-nyc said in Some good news (not):

        I saw a statistic today that there are about twice as many 65+ year olds as there were in 2004 and about the same number of 18 year olds.

        And, whatever you think of immigration, far fewer working age immigrants to help fill the gap.

        Yeah there are some good (not) charts about ratio of workers to retirees. Short version, it was like 7 to 1 and now it's.... totally not. You're welcome for my technical analysis.

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          I saw a statistic today that there are about twice as many 65+ year olds as there were in 2004 and about the same number of 18 year olds.

          And, whatever you think of immigration, far fewer working age immigrants to help fill the gap.

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          @jon-nyc said in Some good news (not):

          I saw a statistic today that there are about twice as many 65+ year olds as there were in 2004 and about the same number of 18 year olds.

          And, whatever you think of immigration abortion, far 30 million fewer working age immigrants millennials and GenZ to help fill the gap.

          FIFYNNTTM

          The Brad

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          • AxtremusA Offline
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            It's silly to think that artificial abortions cause population decline. If you want to blame the domestic population's low reproductive rate, blame family planning in general and the domestic population's unwillingness to raise more children. Getting rid of artificial abortions won't move the needle because a parent getting a child earlier than planned will simply change family planning tactics to not have the child that would have come later. It's a zero sum game in that regard.

            Immigration is net population addition for the most part as very few domestic persons would change their family planning tactics in response to immigration.

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            • Doctor PhibesD Online
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              Is there any way of bringing gay marriage into this discussion and hitting the trifecta?

              I was only joking

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              • W Do not disturb
                W Do not disturb
                Wim
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                #12

                When my parents started in 1958 they could raise 4 kids on one income. When I started in 1985 we could raise two kids on two salaries.
                In 2025 my kids can barely raise one kid on two salaries.
                And then politicians want young people to have more kids.
                Ain't gonna happen.

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                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  Is there any way of bringing gay marriage into this discussion and hitting the trifecta?

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                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Some good news (not):

                  Is there any way of bringing gay marriage into this discussion and hitting the trifecta?

                  I’ve always thought you were gay despite the fact that you’re in a marriage with a woman.

                  Does that count?

                  The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                  • W Wim

                    When my parents started in 1958 they could raise 4 kids on one income. When I started in 1985 we could raise two kids on two salaries.
                    In 2025 my kids can barely raise one kid on two salaries.
                    And then politicians want young people to have more kids.
                    Ain't gonna happen.

                    MikM Offline
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                    Mik
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                    @Wim said in Some good news (not):

                    When my parents started in 1958 they could raise 4 kids on one income. When I started in 1985 we could raise two kids on two salaries.
                    In 2025 my kids can barely raise one kid on two salaries.
                    And then politicians want young people to have more kids.
                    Ain't gonna happen.

                    Bingo.

                    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                    • W Wim

                      When my parents started in 1958 they could raise 4 kids on one income. When I started in 1985 we could raise two kids on two salaries.
                      In 2025 my kids can barely raise one kid on two salaries.
                      And then politicians want young people to have more kids.
                      Ain't gonna happen.

                      89th8 Online
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                      89th
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                      @Wim said in Some good news (not):

                      When my parents started in 1958 they could raise 4 kids on one income. When I started in 1985 we could raise two kids on two salaries.
                      In 2025 my kids can barely raise one kid on two salaries.
                      And then politicians want young people to have more kids.
                      Ain't gonna happen.

                      Oh boy, throwing chum into the TNCR Shark Bay on that one.

                      Yes costs have gone up, but our level of consumption has also gone way up, it seems. Gone are the days of one car, one phone, one TV, one newspaper, one vacation.

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Some good news (not):

                        Is there any way of bringing gay marriage into this discussion and hitting the trifecta?

                        I’ve always thought you were gay despite the fact that you’re in a marriage with a woman.

                        Does that count?

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                        @jon-nyc said in Some good news (not):

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Some good news (not):

                        Is there any way of bringing gay marriage into this discussion and hitting the trifecta?

                        I’ve always thought you were gay despite the fact that you’re in a marriage with a woman.

                        Does that count?

                        I've always pictured him as a straight guy with a dress or two in the closet. (He's going to get pissed! 😁 )

                        Flushing the toilet is like practicing the piano; you just cannot go too long without doing it.--Axtremus

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                        • 89th8 Online
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                          I met him in Boston in 2007. He's definitely not geigh, even after we made out. Actually IIRC he had a pretty wife too, which was even more suspicious. Clearly she's his beard.

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            I met him in Boston in 2014. He's straight but has a hard time driving that way. My navigation skills in downtown Beantown were shit. High hilarity ensued.

                            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                              It's only gay if you actually enjoy it.

                              So, apparently I've had a bunch of gay girlfriends.

                              I was only joking

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                              • HoraceH Online
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                                I guess AI and robotics present some vaguely realistic hope of getting out of it.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  It our only hope. Big or small.

                                  The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    It our only hope. Big or small.

                                    Doctor PhibesD Online
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                                    Doctor Phibes
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                                    @Horace said in Some good news (not):

                                    I guess AI and robotics present some vaguely realistic hope of getting out of it.

                                    @jon-nyc said in Some good news (not):

                                    It our only hope. Big or small.

                                    Are you guys still talking about gay sex?

                                    I was only joking

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                                    • MikM Offline
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                                      AI - Anal Intercourse. Duh.

                                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                        It's silly to think that artificial abortions cause population decline. If you want to blame the domestic population's low reproductive rate, blame family planning in general and the domestic population's unwillingness to raise more children. Getting rid of artificial abortions won't move the needle because a parent getting a child earlier than planned will simply change family planning tactics to not have the child that would have come later. It's a zero sum game in that regard.

                                        Immigration is net population addition for the most part as very few domestic persons would change their family planning tactics in response to immigration.

                                        LuFins DadL Offline
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                                        @Axtremus said in Some good news (not):

                                        It's silly to think that artificial abortions cause population decline. If you want to blame the domestic population's low reproductive rate, blame family planning in general and the domestic population's unwillingness to raise more children. Getting rid of artificial abortions won't move the needle because a parent getting a child earlier than planned will simply change family planning tactics to not have the child that would have come later. It's a zero sum game in that regard.

                                        Immigration is net population addition for the most part as very few domestic persons would change their family planning tactics in response to immigration.

                                        So abortion is primarily after the fact birth control. Thank’s for verifying what is pro-lifers already knew that thd pochoicers have denied or obfuscated.

                                        The Brad

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                                        • W Wim

                                          When my parents started in 1958 they could raise 4 kids on one income. When I started in 1985 we could raise two kids on two salaries.
                                          In 2025 my kids can barely raise one kid on two salaries.
                                          And then politicians want young people to have more kids.
                                          Ain't gonna happen.

                                          LuFins DadL Offline
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                                          @Wim said in Some good news (not):

                                          When my parents started in 1958 they could raise 4 kids on one income. When I started in 1985 we could raise two kids on two salaries.
                                          In 2025 my kids can barely raise one kid on two salaries.
                                          And then politicians want young people to have more kids.
                                          Ain't gonna happen.

                                          Thank abortion and birth control.

                                          The Brad

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