“You people” on steroids
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@jon-nyc said in “You people” on steroids:
The second sentence changes the meaning that’s why.
It would have to directly contradict the meaning of the previous sentence, for it to suit your purposes. It does not. The previous sentence stands, and is not contradicted by the next one.
Why do you think they omitted it? That’s a question you’ve dodged several times now.
I'm not an idiot, jon. Of course I know it makes the rhetoric more pointed. It's the same reason you omit the first sentence. It's how you pretend it doesn't exist, or that it somehow gets erased by the next sentence.
Also, odd you don’t mention the “I can’t read’ misquote and the omitted paragraph. That’s obviously disingenuous to the point of being a straight up lie.
"I can't read a speech", it's again a precious framing on your part. I know you don't see how your mind wriggles in these situations, but the lies here are the ones you are telling yourself.
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I don’t think the word ‘framing’ means what you think it does. “I can’t read” and “I can’t read my speeches” are two very different things.
@jon-nyc said in “You people” on steroids:
I don’t think the word ‘framing’ means what you think it does. “I can’t read” and “I can’t read my speeches” are two very different things.
It's just where you've retreated in a desperate attempt to divert to a meaningless win on a meaningless detail. As per usual. Tell me again how "I'm like you. I'm no better than you" are somehow contradictory and the second sentence erases the first. Tell me that again, I'm enjoying watching this.
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Anyway, anybody knows that Newsom, in front of an audience of, say, MIT students, would not conceivably use those words. The words would only be used when talking to an audience of presumptively mediocre intellectual ability. They are condescending words. They are head-patting words. They are the words of a man who assumes the audience considers itself intellectually mediocre, and who wants to be non-threatening to such an audience. That's just obvious, but it's something jon would be incapable of admitting. As he calls others dishonest.
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This is a good time to remind you to watch the show Silicon Valley if you haven't. One of the best comedic antagonists in a while... Gavin Newsom, I mean Gavin Belson. Even has the same hair style.
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@jon-nyc said in “You people” on steroids:
Let’s see what this libtard had to say.
Newsom was in "talking to black people" mode. Even with quite a few white faces, it was probably the blackest crowd he ever gets. It was hosted in a majority black college. He was introduced by a black congressperson from GA, who invoked MLK in her introduction. The host and Newsom discussed within the first five minutes MLK and Rosa parks and how the Fulton County crowd (42% black) knows all about that. The host, noticing the crowd was talking back, said he appreciated them because it was just like church (reference to black culture).
But I'm happy that you've chosen this line of attack. It's your best option, and it's not as painfully stupid as your contention that in a discussion, each successive sentence erases the meaning of the previous sentence. Oh I know, that's a straw man. Except it's not. It's the only way to make sense of your claim that "I'm like you. I'm no better than you" means that "I'm like you" was never actually said.
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The most interesting thing about this is how one Magtard account known for passing on disinformation can doubly misquote him and lie about the setting and the entire right wing runs with it. Then when the errors are pointed out, they immediately go into ‘it’s fake but accurate’ mode. With rare but honorable exceptions such as Rufo.
Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.
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The most interesting thing about this is how one Magtard account known for passing on disinformation can doubly misquote him and lie about the setting and the entire right wing runs with it. Then when the errors are pointed out, they immediately go into ‘it’s fake but accurate’ mode. With rare but honorable exceptions such as Rufo.
@jon-nyc said in “You people” on steroids:
The most interesting thing about this is how one Magtard account known for passing on disinformation can doubly misquote him and lie about the setting and the entire right wing runs with it. Then when the errors are pointed out, they immediately go into ‘it’s fake but accurate’ mode. With rare but honorable exceptions such as Rufo.
You’ve yet to admit the obvious, that the words as spoken were condescending. It would be inconceivable to say them to a room of MIT students, or a room of white collar professionals. Again, obvious, and again, something you're incapable of admitting. While you call everybody on the other side "dishonorable".
Newsom’s intention was for the appearance to be black outreach. That is undeniable from the fact it was hosted at a majority black college. He had no control over who bought tickets, but it was probably the blackest audience he’s had just the same.
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@jon-nyc said in “You people” on steroids:
More kudos to Rufo here, pushing back on yet another major magtard account.
It was an unequivocally black context, if you listen to the interview and consider the venue. Newsom was in "talking to black people" mode, and that was the intention of choosing that venue, regardless of how many white faces ended up buying tickets.
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Say what you like about Trump, he doesn't discriminate. He talks to everyone as if they're an abject moron.
I was only joking
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@jon-nyc said in “You people” on steroids:
I know, I know. Fake but accurate.
Not materially fake if one grants that Newsom was in "talking to black people" mode, which is very reasonable and likely if obviously unprovable.
The notion that "I'm like you. I'm no better than you" means "I'm like you" was effectively never said, remains absurd.
That there were plenty of white faces in the crowd remains uncompelling regarding Newsom's intended audience for his words, when you consider the venue and the topics of conversation in the interview.
But reasonable people can disagree about his actual motivations. His words could be boilerplate that he gives to any random audience of random people. It's not the first time he's said those self-effacing words. It remains inarguable that the words make no sense unless the intended audience was presumed to be mediocre, and in need of reassurance that Mr Newsom is non-threatening.
Education is extremely important.
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Say what you like about Trump, he doesn't discriminate. He talks to everyone as if they're an abject moron.
@Doctor-Phibes said in “You people” on steroids:
Say what you like about Trump, he doesn't discriminate. He talks to everyone as if they're an abject moron.
I particularly admire Trump when he tells the crowd or his targets of abuse, domestic and foreign, that he loves them. Trump’s condescension goes not only beyond the usual obsequious insincerity of politicians of all stripes, clans and tribal affiliations, it is rather, a thoroughly disingenuous display of his political messianism and determination to control others.
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Say what you like about Trump, he doesn't discriminate. He talks to everyone as if they're an abject moron.
@Doctor-Phibes said in “You people” on steroids:
Say what you like about Trump, he doesn't discriminate. He talks to everyone as if
they’rehe’s an abject moron.FIFY.
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@jon-nyc said in “You people” on steroids:
I know, I know. Fake but accurate.
Not materially fake if one grants that Newsom was in "talking to black people" mode, which is very reasonable and likely if obviously unprovable.
The notion that "I'm like you. I'm no better than you" means "I'm like you" was effectively never said, remains absurd.
That there were plenty of white faces in the crowd remains uncompelling regarding Newsom's intended audience for his words, when you consider the venue and the topics of conversation in the interview.
But reasonable people can disagree about his actual motivations. His words could be boilerplate that he gives to any random audience of random people. It's not the first time he's said those self-effacing words. It remains inarguable that the words make no sense unless the intended audience was presumed to be mediocre, and in need of reassurance that Mr Newsom is non-threatening.
said in “You people” on steroids:
The notion that "I'm like you. I'm no better than you" means "I'm like you" was effectively never said, remains absurd.
And since we're therapizing, I'll note that jon made this ridiculous claim as if it were obviously true, so much so that anybody who disagreed was intentionally lying. Just more proof to add to the existing mountain of proof that jon's mind goes completely off the rails in adversarial discussion. Due obviously to an ego that simply won't look directly at its own failings.
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If I repeat a sentence verbatim except one word change which alters the meaning, its intentional. It seems to be a reasonable assumption to apply to others as well.
@jon-nyc said in “You people” on steroids:
If I repeat a sentence verbatim except one word change which alters the meaning, its intentional. It seems to be a reasonable assumption to apply to others as well.
That goes about a millimeter towards your extraordinary claim which is a mile away. Not to mix metric and imperial.
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You know it would have been less embarrassing to take the L then to have done whatever this is you’re doing now. At the end of the day the Magtard of Crown Heights misquoted him twice and lied about the audience. It’s fair that you didn’t know the source having seen it on Reddit. Now you’re out of excuses.
I can’t be the only one beyond bored of reading you on this thread.
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You know it would have been less embarrassing to take the L then to have done whatever this is you’re doing now. At the end of the day the Magtard of Crown Heights misquoted him twice and lied about the audience. It’s fair that you didn’t know the source having seen it on Reddit. Now you’re out of excuses.
I can’t be the only one beyond bored of reading you on this thread.
@jon-nyc said in “You people” on steroids:
You know it would have been less embarrassing to take the L then to have done whatever this is you’re doing now. At the end of the day the Magtard of Crown Heights misquoted him twice and lied about the audience. It’s fair that you didn’t know the source having seen it on Reddit. Now you’re out of excuses.
I can’t be the only one beyond bored of reading you on this thread.
If you're not embarrassed by your own behavior in this thread, then it would fit with my description of your psychology. Your claim that the second sentence erases the first in "I'm like you. I'm no better than you." remains ridiculous, and the vehemence with which you claimed it, to the point of calling me an intentional liar for not going along with it, only points to your own delusional nature in adversarial discussions. As usual, you are fractionally as coherent as you think you are.
As for the description of the audience, it was probably an honest mistake, given the venue and the obvious intentions of the interview. He may or may not be forthright in admitting that there were plenty of white faces, with the updated information. As for the lack of the ... between the sentences in the quote, I'm sure you'll get over that someday. The story as told is a far cry from a pure hoax.
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