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  • markM mark

    @Doctor-Phibes said in The impact of AI on jobs:

    @Mik said in The impact of AI on jobs:

    Learn to code using AI...

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/google-brain-founder-andrew-ng-says-everyone-should-still-learn-to-code-but-not-the-old-way/ar-AA1QbYnq

    The people giving out this kind advice always seem to assume that everybody can do this stuff, as well as having the technology access and motivation.

    See my "An app I wrote using AI" thread. lol.

    I saw this coming two plus years ago. An associate of mine has been producing production ready code for well over a year now using AI.

    I think good app development and IT skills are still essential to getting the AI to help you create a production level app. You still have to have knowledge of how to create an app. What makes an app easy to use, accurate, safe, etc. As good as my little Android app is currently, I still want to put in more options like expiration dates of the current prescription, to make it safer, possibly HIPPA compliant since it deals with medical records, etc. For some of those features I need to add encryption to the database, maybe make it use biometrics for logging in, MFA, etc.

    My daughter is a little upset that I used AI to create the splash screen. She's an artist who is a current student at the Milwaukee Institute of Art and Design. She is going for her BA. I told her to design a new splash screen and I will happily replace the one AI generated.

    I see a day when AI Prompting for <insert your profession here> classes will be offered if they aren't already. I haven't looked in to that. Maybe it's a viable business opportunity.

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    @mark said in The impact of AI on jobs:

    My daughter is a little upset that I used AI to create the splash screen. She's an artist who is a current student at the Milwaukee Institute of Art and Design. She is going for her BA. I told her to design a new splash screen and I will happily replace the one AI generated.

    What an impacted industry. I started out in graphic design, logos, websites, etc. My BIL used to design custom images for screenprinted shirts. He was telling me the other week that these days people can just ask AI for whatever image they want and it automatically can be ordered on a shirt. Even for me, I used to create custom graphics (such as for a website or presentation or even an cloud architecture diagram) and now I just ask Gemini and it's fine 95% of the time. The key is to find how to navigate a world when AI-assisted technology is all around.

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      @mark said in The impact of AI on jobs:

      My daughter is a little upset that I used AI to create the splash screen. She's an artist who is a current student at the Milwaukee Institute of Art and Design. She is going for her BA. I told her to design a new splash screen and I will happily replace the one AI generated.

      What an impacted industry. I started out in graphic design, logos, websites, etc. My BIL used to design custom images for screenprinted shirts. He was telling me the other week that these days people can just ask AI for whatever image they want and it automatically can be ordered on a shirt. Even for me, I used to create custom graphics (such as for a website or presentation or even an cloud architecture diagram) and now I just ask Gemini and it's fine 95% of the time. The key is to find how to navigate a world when AI-assisted technology is all around.

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      @89th said in The impact of AI on jobs:

      @mark said in The impact of AI on jobs:

      My daughter is a little upset that I used AI to create the splash screen. She's an artist who is a current student at the Milwaukee Institute of Art and Design. She is going for her BA. I told her to design a new splash screen and I will happily replace the one AI generated.

      What an impacted industry. I started out in graphic design, logos, websites, etc. My BIL used to design custom images for screenprinted shirts. He was telling me the other week that these days people can just ask AI for whatever image they want and it automatically can be ordered on a shirt. Even for me, I used to create custom graphics (such as for a website or presentation or even an cloud architecture diagram) and now I just ask Gemini and it's fine 95% of the time. The key is to find how to navigate a world when AI-assisted technology is all around.

      Absolutely. Do something with AI instead of just bitching about it. Find a niche within the AI universe to make a living.

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        #69

        OK, I admit I've just written a performance review, which is just about my least favourite activity in the world. When I say 'written', I copied last year's review and told Copilot to reword it.

        Easy life.

        I was only joking

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        • MikM Offline
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          Mark makes a very valid point about how AI doesn't do everything for you. GIGO. You have to know something about the subject matter and the technology involved, what questions to ask, parameters to provide to get a decent product.

          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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            Maybe not such an apocalypse. This pretty much tracks with what I've been thinking.

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/ben-horowitz-says-fears-of-an-ai-fueled-job-apocalypse-are-based-on-a-flawed-assumption/ar-AA1VE5cz

            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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            • MikM Mik

              Maybe not such an apocalypse. This pretty much tracks with what I've been thinking.

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/ben-horowitz-says-fears-of-an-ai-fueled-job-apocalypse-are-based-on-a-flawed-assumption/ar-AA1VE5cz

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              @Mik I agree with you @mik. Humans are pretty adaptable. There have been pretty big changes to the job market over the last couple of hundred years, probably since the "Industrial Revolution". Some jobs go out, new ones come in.

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                Our adaptability is why we are still around, especially in such numbers. Clever little primates, we are.

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  Noah Smith looking at the bright side?

                  The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                    Well, yes, that's true. The dicey part is when nobody has a job to earn money to spend.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      Exaggeration but funny all the same.

                      The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                        I doubt many coders feel safe now. Not sure where he's getting his impression. At best coders are lumping other white collar jobs in with their own, as jobs at risk of AI disruption.

                        As I write this post, ChatGPT is generating some code it would have taken me an hour to write. Generating it in multiple languages.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          We have an engineer retiring in May. We just requested a job rec for his replacement, and one of the senior executives who has to give authorization asked whether his job could be replaced by an AI.

                          To be honest, at this point I suspect it would probably be easier to swap out the executive for AI.

                          I was only joking

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                            I never pursued much in the way of technical expertise in coding because everything changed so fast with languages and libraries that I didn't have the energy or motivation to keep up. Now I see I didn't zoom out enough. Coding itself, in all of its forms, was the thing that was going to become obsolete.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              We have an engineer retiring in May. We just requested a job rec for his replacement, and one of the senior executives who has to give authorization asked whether his job could be replaced by an AI.

                              To be honest, at this point I suspect it would probably be easier to swap out the executive for AI.

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                              @Doctor-Phibes said in The impact of AI on jobs:

                              To be honest, at this point I suspect it would probably be easier to swap out the executive for AI.

                              SAys the manager who uses AI to write his employee reviews.

                              The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                                I for one doubt that good programmers will be out of jobs anytime soon.

                                For once, only programmers can write specifications that are precise enough that AIs can generate code from it.

                                Of course programmers need to learn how to use LLMs to boost their productivity. But we'll also have a much higher demand for software. It's a kind of self-correcting system.

                                What we won't need much anymore are programmers that perform boring repetitive work.

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                                  Vibe coding will advance more and more in line with the promise of its name. What % of professional programmers work from spec currently anyway? I bet most.

                                  I see it as imminent that product owners will get together in a meeting room and create an app by talking an AI through it in real time.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    Humanities academic and public intellectual Yascha Mounk on his experience prompting Claude to write a political theory paper fit for publication in top journals. Spoiler, it took two hours and Yascha thinks it's publishable.

                                    https://substack.com/home/post/p-188162035

                                    Education is extremely important.

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