ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis

[jon-nyc]

She was escaping and he kept firing as she passed him. The last shot was fully from behind.

[89th]

I thought his first shot was accidental as he jumped back, then he just committed to the murder. Good thing she’s a white lesbo otherwise we’d see riots despite the cold.

[jon-nyc]

By the way the agent does not have blanket immunity from state murder or homicide charges. They’d have to show that it was ‘necessary and proper’ for the white supremacy clause to take effect.

[Renauda]

@89th

Apparently the deceased was also a widow and mother of a 6 year old.

https://www.startribune.com/she-was-an-amazing-human-being-mother-identifies-woman-shot-killed-by-ice-agent/601559922

[Tom-K]

Thankfully the Minnesota authorities are going to do a full investigation so we all can be assured that the real truth of what happened will come out.

[Tom-K]

I think we all could learn a valuable lesson about obeying the law from this image.

[AndyD]

You can't park your car like that!

A car is one of the most dangerous potential weapons, and nearly all of us possess one. To drive one we have to demonstrate we are responsible and are trained to use one safely.

What the f was the driver doing if not challenging US law and acting in a dangerous and threatening way towards law officers.

Proportional response?
Once in motion that large vehicle was weaponised by the law breaker, who was ignoring the requests of law officers and immediately endangering their lives, and the public in the chase that would inevitably follow.

[bachophile]

yea but looking at the video he could have shot out the tires easily and stopped the vehicle. not fire an assualt rifle through the driver seat window, looks more like an execution than a traffic stop

[AndyD]

The officer at the drivers door has obviously requested verbally that the driver stop and get out of the car, as demonstrated by him trying to open the door. With the officers hand in the door handle in the handle the driver disobeys and reverses, no doubt hurting the officers hand.
The driver then accelerates forward causing the officer to jump back.
It is an officer in front of the car who draws his gun as the driver reverses, then fires as the car accelerates forward.
In an instant the driver turns right and the officer fires.

No way could that officer shoot the tyres with defensive effect, nor could he, concentrating on his colleague and the driver, know the drivers intent to turn nor have seen the wheels moving right as he fired.

That's my take on the video right or wrong.

The UK Highway Code is crystal clear:
You MUST obey directions and signals from the police, highway officers etc.

And you have to be pretty confused/panicked/criminal/drugged/stupid, to argue with a gun. Especially an armed law officer. With back up.

Bloody awful incident.

[jon-nyc]

No doubt she was in the wrong. In the US you can’t execute a driver to prevent an escape.

[jon-nyc]

Remember the old days when the politicians would make generic noises about waiting for the investigation etc? Now they straight up lie, reflexively defend their goon, and say she was trying to kill him. She obviously was trying to leave the scene.

[Mik]

@jon-nyc said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:

No doubt she was in the wrong. In the US you can’t execute a driver to prevent an escape.

This.

[jon-nyc]

It’s unclear to me why she was perpendicular in the road. One thought is she was trying to block them, but she was clearly waving them by. Was she doing a three point turn?

[jon-nyc]

MAGA: “you better obey the police or else they can and should kill you at point blank range"

Also MAGA: "january 6th was pretty chill actually, they were just walking around, what's the big deal??"

[AndyD]

So you think there is no chance the law officer actually thought "this driver is accelerating towards me"?
You'd have had no worries?
Not even after you'd seen your colleague ask the driver to get out and she'd purposely reversed, possibly hurting him?

What will a jury make of it?

[Mik]

In any event, a bullet is not going to stop a car headed toward you in time to be an effective tactic. I normally come down in favor of law enforcement in such situations, but I cannot in this case with the facts at my disposal.

[AndyD]

I'd like to think I would have got out of the car as requested.
I'd like to think I would have dived out of the way of the accelerating car and not shot.

It's not a perfect world.

[jon-nyc]

She was also told repeatedly to move. They were shouting Move! Move! Move!

[Renauda]

@bachophile said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:

yea but looking at the video he could have shot out the tires easily and stopped the vehicle. not fire an assualt rifle through the driver seat window, looks more like an execution than a traffic stop.

I agree although am not convinced her executer either considered or could have shot the tyres out.

My feeling is that she was terrified when the officer rushed the car and tried open the door. She tried to get away by first reversing, turning her wheels then accelerating slowly forward as the officers surrounded the vehicle. She did not pin it to the floor whether to escape or run anyone down.

In any event the vehicle and driver could have easily been apprehended at later time - you can be assured the license plate number could be traced - via the municipal police services without incident or an action movie car chase beyond perhaps, a spike belt across the road.

[jon-nyc]

@AndyD said in ICE kills a US citizen in Minneapolis:

I'd like to think I would have got out of the car as requested.
I'd like to think I would have dived out of the way of the accelerating car and not shot.

It's not a perfect world.

All your points about her doing the wrong thing and acting illegally are valid. It doesn't warrant execution. At least two of the mans shots were fired after the bumper moved beyond him.