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Maduro might be checking the train schedule

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  • kluursK Offline
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    kluurs
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    #29

    Should Mark Carney be worried? Another "major" source of fentanyl ( a pound a year, right?) and has oil.

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      AndyD
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      Staggering potential mess. Talk about not learning from history.

      I wonder what George & Jolly think about this nation building abroad.

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      • MikM Offline
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        I suspect they have some cooperation from powers that be within Venezuela. Maduro was taken way too easily. It could go bad, but could turn out very well. Time will tell.

        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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          More on Trump’s would-be Señora Quisling:

          https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/04/world/americas/trump-venezuela-leader-rodriguez-machado.html?unlocked_article_code=1.B1A.Gbqu.2Ej87egugM-P&smid=url-share

          The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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            #33

            Looks like Trump has a new hobby.

            The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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            • kluursK kluurs

              Should Mark Carney be worried? Another "major" source of fentanyl ( a pound a year, right?) and has oil.

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              Renauda
              wrote last edited by Renauda
              #34

              @kluurs said in Maduro might be checking the train schedule:

              Should Mark Carney be worried? Another "major" source of fentanyl ( a pound a year, right?) and has oil.

              Carney need not be worried.

              Danielle Smith in the other hand should be concerned. Her precious Western Canada Select synthetic crude will soon be worthless on any given global market.

              Elbows up!

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              • MikM Offline
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                A very good analysis from Adam Housely News:

                You’re hearing, of course, a ton of politics about what happened in Venezuela. Everyone is spinning, and candidly, many have no actual depth on the issue and default to politics and political angles...as always. Since I just got off the phone with one of my closest friends, who I met while reporting in Venezuela and was crying on the phone, and since I have spent multiple trips in the country, and since Hugo Chavez and indirectly Maduro threatened me by name, I figured I would weigh in with facts. Don't care if you like or dislike this administration; here's what this is all about. Here is some clarification.
                First...I can assure you, they were brutal dictators. I have many friends who still live in Venezuela and others who were lucky enough to leave, but who desperately want to return to help rebuild a free nation. It's been a rough 25 years. Murdering opposition, massive corruption disguised as working socialism, the removal of most freedoms. That's their legacy.
                First of all, the action of going in and taking them out—like it or not—is something that has been done by pretty much every U.S. president since World War II. The last time Congress truly authorized a war was December 8, 1941. If you weren't mad when Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Nixon...you get the idea...if you weren't angry about Obama and Libya, then sit this one out. Equal outrage, or none at all. The fact that American special forces went in and took out this madman without losing a single life is remarkable and shows the strength of U.S. special forces. If we had not done this, ultimately it would have cost many more Venezuelans' lives, and possibly US lives if an action was eventually necessary.
                As someone who wants peace, I also understand that sometimes peace has to be achieved through strength. Americans may not always understand that, but spending time in some of the places I’ve been makes it very clear.
                So why did we go into Venezuela? There are a lot of reasons, but four major ones:

                1. Oil—though not because we need it.
                  We don’t need Venezuelan oil. Their oil is actually dirtier, harder to refine, and we have cleaner domestic sources. The key issue is that the oil we are now cutting off was going to Iran, China, and ultimately Russia. By removing that cheap supply—which was only enriching Maduro and his buddies—we put significant pressure on Iran, Russia, and China, who right now are exploiting natural resources across the globe. You can read about what they’ve done in Africa and what’s happening on the ocean floor.
                  Yes, the U.S. has its issues—no argument there. But if I have to choose who leads the world between China, Iran, Russia, or us, I will choose us every single time.
                2. Regional destabilization.
                  Maduro and the Venezuelan regime have continued to destabilize the region—hurting other countries, supporting drug networks throughout Latin America, and collapsing what was once the wealthiest country in the region into one of the poorest. Talk to anyone down there who isn’t aligned with the corruption, and they’ll tell you the same thing: the regime enriched only its leaders, hurt its own people, and damaged the entire area.
                3. The Monroe Doctrine.
                  The Monroe Doctrine essentially says the U.S. needs to monitor and protect its own hemisphere. It's about ensuring the security of this region. In the last 25 years—something I’ve witnessed firsthand—Iran, Russia, and China have all built strategic outposts in Venezuela. They didn’t care about the people or the devastation they caused; they cared about resources and the opportunity to establish a foothold right in America’s backyard. Their growing presence threatened stability and security in the region. 4. It sends a message to China about Taiwan. The Chinese delegation was still in Caracas, meeting with Maduro and his cronies, and the US taking out Maduro, while China is there, shows serious guts. Also, with the U.S. now in control of Venezuelan oil resources, it becomes much riskier for China to make a move against Taiwan. Those four reasons are the primary drivers behind the U.S. operation, whether people agree with it or not.
                  I’ll argue it was done in the best way possible: you try sanctions and diplomatic pressure to force the leader out, and when that fails, you remove him cleanly. The reality is that there was a duly elected government that won a fair election and was prevented from taking power. Hopefully, the government will now step in, and my only concern is that we don’t get stuck there for an extended period. Ideally, we help the legitimate government stand up, and then we step out.

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  Renauda
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                  #36

                  Here’s Richard Haass’ initial take on Trump’s special military operation:

                  The operation captures the essence of Trump’s foreign policy. It was unilateral to its core. It paid little heed to legality or international opinion. It emphasized the Western Hemisphere rather than Europe, the Indo-Pacific, or the Middle East. The goal was commercial benefit, in this case access to oil reserves, and to strengthen homeland security, reflecting concerns over drugs and immigration. Military force was used, but in bounded ways.

                  The biggest downside of the Venezuela operation could be the precedent it sets, affirming the right of great powers to intervene in their backyards against leaders they deem to be illegitimate or a threat. One can only imagine Russian President Vladimir Putin, who is calling for the “de-Nazification” of Ukraine and the removal of President Volodymyr Zelensky, nodding in agreement. Trump’s military operation in Venezuela makes a negotiated end to the Russia-Ukraine war even more remote than it already was.

                  https://richardhaass.substack.com/p/special-edition-the-trump-doctrina?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&triedRedirect=true

                  Elbows up!

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                    #37

                    It does seem like the plan is the worst of all possible worlds for the Venezuelans - Chavistas stay in power but the US gets dibs on the oil resources.

                    Can somebody tell me what I’m missing?

                    The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                      AndyD
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                      Well if it's someday regarded as the seed of WW3 at least you can say this time you were in it from the start

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        wrote last edited by Mik
                        #39

                        The thought that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was related to our oil embargo did cross my mind.

                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                          Though their wish to expand first into China, then Indonesia etc for oil was not a one man idea, indeed Hirohito was against it.
                          Trump has three years. Cuba has nothing of value. Panama however...

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                            If you haven’t seen this clip that’s been getting renewed interest lately.

                            Link to video

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                              #42

                              I think even someone with no knowledge of the context at all could read this and get the clear stench of a weak case.

                              The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                              • RenaudaR Renauda

                                Here’s Richard Haass’ initial take on Trump’s special military operation:

                                The operation captures the essence of Trump’s foreign policy. It was unilateral to its core. It paid little heed to legality or international opinion. It emphasized the Western Hemisphere rather than Europe, the Indo-Pacific, or the Middle East. The goal was commercial benefit, in this case access to oil reserves, and to strengthen homeland security, reflecting concerns over drugs and immigration. Military force was used, but in bounded ways.

                                The biggest downside of the Venezuela operation could be the precedent it sets, affirming the right of great powers to intervene in their backyards against leaders they deem to be illegitimate or a threat. One can only imagine Russian President Vladimir Putin, who is calling for the “de-Nazification” of Ukraine and the removal of President Volodymyr Zelensky, nodding in agreement. Trump’s military operation in Venezuela makes a negotiated end to the Russia-Ukraine war even more remote than it already was.

                                https://richardhaass.substack.com/p/special-edition-the-trump-doctrina?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&triedRedirect=true

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                                #43

                                Love him or hate him Trump taught Putin how a "special military operation" is done correctly.

                                Flushing the toilet is like practicing the piano; you just cannot go too long without doing it.--Axtremus

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                                  You have to wonder if Greenland is next. They have been accused of smuggling in snow to the US.

                                  Flushing the toilet is like practicing the piano; you just cannot go too long without doing it.--Axtremus

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                                    If it’s not from the champagne region of the Middle East, it’s just sparkling backyard intervention.

                                    The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                                    • Tom-KT Tom-K

                                      Love him or hate him Trump taught Putin how a "special military operation" is done correctly.

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                                      Renauda
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                                      @Tom-K said in Maduro might be checking the train schedule:

                                      Love him or hate him Trump taught Putin how a "special military operation" is done correctly.

                                      I am coming to the conclusion that as the story develops it was less a special military operation and more along the lines of a hostile commercial asset appropriation that just falls shy of a mob style racketeering operation.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                        The good news is we apparently killed 32 Cuban special forces.

                                        People are starting to ask if they were a protection force on loan or an occupation force.

                                        The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                                        • Tom-KT Tom-K

                                          You have to wonder if Greenland is next. They have been accused of smuggling in snow to the US.

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                                          @Tom-K said in Maduro might be checking the train schedule:

                                          You have to wonder if Greenland is next. They have been accused of smuggling in snow to the US.

                                          Now this is personal.

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