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  • 89th8 Offline
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    89th
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    So unnecessary, on multiple levels.

    Also sad since our kids were saying hello to them and they were nice when we visited in October. Took selfies, gave them honorary Louisiana National guard patches, etc.

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    • LuFins DadL Offline
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      No, strictly and only on one level. The guy that decided to ambush two soldiers.

      Saying otherwise is akin to blaming the short skirt the girl was wearing for what happened in the alley…

      The Brad

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        I wonder why he’s naked on the gurney.

        I suppose they stripped him to make sure he had no more weapons or explosives.

        “In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans never, ever, one time agreed on what a health care proposal should look like. Not once.”

        • Former Speaker of the House John Boehner
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          “In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans never, ever, one time agreed on what a health care proposal should look like. Not once.”

          • Former Speaker of the House John Boehner
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            Now CBS is reporting that the guardsman aren’t dead but in critical condition. WV governor walked back his message saying he got conflicting information.

            “In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans never, ever, one time agreed on what a health care proposal should look like. Not once.”

            • Former Speaker of the House John Boehner
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            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

              No, strictly and only on one level. The guy that decided to ambush two soldiers.

              Saying otherwise is akin to blaming the short skirt the girl was wearing for what happened in the alley…

              89th8 Offline
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              @LuFins-Dad said in Two National Guardsmen shot in DC altercation:

              No, strictly and only on one level. The guy that decided to ambush two soldiers.

              Saying otherwise is akin to blaming the short skirt the girl was wearing for what happened in the alley…

              No, having the national guard in DC in the first place is objectively unnecessary. Being shot is as well, of course. Both are not to blame but both are certainly unnecessary.

              And yes. If your a girl wearing a short skirt in an alley, it’s foolish. Not guilty, but foolish.

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              • kluursK Offline
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                The shooter does so much damage to so many - especially his own people - and at the same time harms whatever cause he thinks he was supporting.

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                • kluursK kluurs

                  The shooter does so much damage to so many - especially his own people - and at the same time harms whatever cause he thinks he was supporting.

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                  @kluurs said in Two National Guardsmen shot in DC altercation:

                  The shooter does so much damage to so many - especially his own people - and at the same time harms whatever cause he thinks he was supporting.

                  The damage to his own people is the a feature, not a bug. That damage continues the cycle.

                  The Brad

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                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                    So Trump’s response is to send 500 more guardsmen to DC. Someone help me make sense of that.

                    “In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans never, ever, one time agreed on what a health care proposal should look like. Not once.”

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                    • 89th8 Offline
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                      It’s the same sense as masked people forcing citizens (yes some are citizens) into cars and driving off. One day there will be a similar violent event and it’ll be an unnecessary scenario just like this.

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                      • HoraceH Offline
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                        When one votes, one votes for the entire basket of consequences. It's easy to take pot shots at the downsides of the basket, while never comparing against the other basket. In this case, effectively open borders and various railings against xenophobia to support them.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          I need you guys to be more specific. He was a lone shooter, they say. Why 500 more troops? Is there a heightened security need? Or is he just making a point to a guy who’s sitting in hospital/jail?

                          “In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans never, ever, one time agreed on what a health care proposal should look like. Not once.”

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                          • HoraceH Horace

                            When one votes, one votes for the entire basket of consequences. It's easy to take pot shots at the downsides of the basket, while never comparing against the other basket. In this case, effectively open borders and various railings against xenophobia to support them.

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                            @Horace said in Two National Guardsmen shot in DC altercation:

                            When one votes, one votes for the entire basket of consequences.

                            Ok, tariff boy.

                            “In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans never, ever, one time agreed on what a health care proposal should look like. Not once.”

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              @Horace said in Two National Guardsmen shot in DC altercation:

                              When one votes, one votes for the entire basket of consequences.

                              Ok, tariff boy.

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                              @jon-nyc said in Two National Guardsmen shot in DC altercation:

                              @Horace said in Two National Guardsmen shot in DC altercation:

                              When one votes, one votes for the entire basket of consequences.

                              Ok, tariff boy.

                              Sure, potshot boy.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • MikM Offline
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                                We don't know enough about the shooter to say whether or not this had anything to do with the NG in DC. More than likely it's just another Muslim nutter who was just as likely to shoot a civilian or a metro cop. But I suppose it's as good an excuse as any to pin it on Trump. It clearly doesn't take much.

                                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  I need you guys to be more specific. He was a lone shooter, they say. Why 500 more troops? Is there a heightened security need? Or is he just making a point to a guy who’s sitting in hospital/jail?

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                                  @jon-nyc said in Two National Guardsmen shot in DC altercation:

                                  I need you guys to be more specific. He was a lone shooter, they say. Why 500 more troops? Is there a heightened security need? Or is he just making a point to a guy who’s sitting in hospital/jail?

                                  It's a meaningless show of force, because of course Trump would push back with a meaningless show of force. But please do continue to scratch your head with performative puzzlement.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    Here’s why it makes no sense.

                                    To the extent that there’s a heightened security risk, it would be copycats. (Perhaps especially Islamic copycats).

                                    All adding 500 troops would do in that case is enrich the target environment. At the end of the day, anyone willing to trade his life for that of a guardsman or two can do so, barring some bad luck.

                                    “In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans never, ever, one time agreed on what a health care proposal should look like. Not once.”

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                                    • MikM Mik

                                      We don't know enough about the shooter to say whether or not this had anything to do with the NG in DC. More than likely it's just another Muslim nutter who was just as likely to shoot a civilian or a metro cop. But I suppose it's as good an excuse as any to pin it on Trump. It clearly doesn't take much.

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                                      @Mik said in Two National Guardsmen shot in DC altercation:

                                      But I suppose it's as good an excuse as any to pin it on Trump. It clearly doesn't take much.

                                      I didn’t pin it on Trump. I questioned his response. Big difference.

                                      “In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans never, ever, one time agreed on what a health care proposal should look like. Not once.”

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                                      • MikM Offline
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                                        Given your track record, you can't even say that with a straight face. 😏

                                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                          @LuFins-Dad said in Two National Guardsmen shot in DC altercation:

                                          No, strictly and only on one level. The guy that decided to ambush two soldiers.

                                          Saying otherwise is akin to blaming the short skirt the girl was wearing for what happened in the alley…

                                          No, having the national guard in DC in the first place is objectively unnecessary. Being shot is as well, of course. Both are not to blame but both are certainly unnecessary.

                                          And yes. If your a girl wearing a short skirt in an alley, it’s foolish. Not guilty, but foolish.

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                                          @89th said in Two National Guardsmen shot in DC altercation:

                                          @LuFins-Dad said in Two National Guardsmen shot in DC altercation:

                                          No, strictly and only on one level. The guy that decided to ambush two soldiers.

                                          Saying otherwise is akin to blaming the short skirt the girl was wearing for what happened in the alley…

                                          No, having the national guard in DC in the first place is objectively unnecessary. Being shot is as well, of course. Both are not to blame but both are certainly unnecessary.

                                          If she was a little more frumpy, it never would have happened.

                                          This is the most inane argument that I have ever seen.

                                          The Brad

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