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  • MikM Offline
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    I was pretty shocked to learn that 12% of Americans - 42 million - are receiving SNAP benefits. One in 8. Surely that is a program that could use some scrutiny.

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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      Supposedly you have to have a net income below the federal poverty level.

      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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      • 89th8 Offline
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        Of course coming from someone not on SNAP this sounds horrible, but there REALLY needs to be stricter guidelines on how it can be used. For example, bottles of fanta and cans of pringle chips out... pasta, potatoes, apples... in. My FIL and I were talking about this the other day, about how if one really needed to stretch a budget, there are food purchases that can last you weeks if you purchase items wisely. But again... coming from me, who cares.

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        • MikM Offline
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          Yes, 2292 monthly for a two person household. They also take into account your household size and your housing expenses. I went through a calculator. That approximates one $14 an hour job. For one person it's about 1600, a $10 an hour job. Seems pretty reasonable.

          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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          • MikM Offline
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            Yeah, I agree the guidelines on what can be purchased are needed. Total sugar isn't it, but then you get into how you educate people who have never lived that way to be efficient cooks and consumers. It used to be commodities where they actually gave you food. All shelf stable - powdered milk, canned goods.

            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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              What’s your guys’ take on that woman in Michigan that was using her SNAP benefits to buy flour/eggs/milk and such, but was using it to make baked goods that she would sell online as a business? An under the table business at that, which means no income accounting.

              The Brad

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                I certainly wouldn’t be inclined to give her 10 years.

                I’m kind of heartened to see some entrepreneurial spirit among the poor. Not particularly worried it will become a widespread ‘problem’.

                If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  What’s your guys’ take on that woman in Michigan that was using her SNAP benefits to buy flour/eggs/milk and such, but was using it to make baked goods that she would sell online as a business? An under the table business at that, which means no income accounting.

                  Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                  @LuFins-Dad said in SNAP usage:

                  What’s your guys’ take on that woman in Michigan that was using her SNAP benefits to buy flour/eggs/milk and such, but was using it to make baked goods that she would sell online as a business? An under the table business at that, which means no income accounting.

                  TBH, my immediate response was 'good for her'. I don't think prosecuting her is particularly useful, or kind for that matter.

                  Obviously, rich people love to look down at people on stamps as being worthless parasites, and her entrepeneurial spirit rather undermines that.

                  I was only joking

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Yeah, I'm with Jon here. This does not constitute a crime in any way other than the most draconian reading of the law. We should not have a government that has the time or resources to pursue things like this.

                    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                    • HoraceH Offline
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                      I’ll feel a lot safer when she’s in prison.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • 89th8 Offline
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                        I suppose not reporting incoming of selling muffins is a no-no, but overall I'd argue it is her right to do whatever she wants with the food. Throw it against the wall, feed it to dogs, whatever. That being said, I'd imagine SNAP has a rule that you can't resell things you buy, which would make sense. I'm glad @Horace feels better though, even though I can't empathize with the Banana Bread Incident that traumatized him in 2nd grade, I'm still glad.

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                          I think the critical question here is magnitude. Just how much of the baked goods was she selling? Was it lifting her income levels beyond the poverty levels? If so, by how much? Does the resupply costs push her back down? If not, then there could be a case of abusing the system…

                          Now, a smart Governor and state prosecutor would use this as an opportunity… Put her through a Small Business Administration course… Giver her an SBA grant for a woman owned business… Promote the crap out of her.

                          But Whitmer isn’t really a smart governor.

                          The Brad

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                          • 89th8 89th

                            I suppose not reporting incoming of selling muffins is a no-no, but overall I'd argue it is her right to do whatever she wants with the food. Throw it against the wall, feed it to dogs, whatever. That being said, I'd imagine SNAP has a rule that you can't resell things you buy, which would make sense. I'm glad @Horace feels better though, even though I can't empathize with the Banana Bread Incident that traumatized him in 2nd grade, I'm still glad.

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                            @89th said in SNAP usage:

                            I suppose not reporting incoming of selling muffins is a no-no, but overall I'd argue it is her right to do whatever she wants with the food. Throw it against the wall, feed it to dogs, whatever. That being said, I'd imagine SNAP has a rule that you can't resell things you buy, which would make sense. I'm glad @Horace feels better though, even though I can't empathize with the Banana Bread Incident that traumatized him in 2nd grade, I'm still glad.

                            Thank you for respecting my lived experience, and realizing you can never possibly understand it.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              The race essentialists at MSN.com lead the headline with her skin color. Because of course they did.

                              Black woman in Michigan faces 10 years in prison for selling baked goods made with food stamps
                              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/black-woman-in-michigan-faces-10-years-in-prison-for-selling-baked-goods-made-with-food-stamps-video/ar-AA1OGchb

                              My guess is that the plea deal she rejected would have been a slap on the wrist, and not worthy of any national conversation. But since this went viral, I'm sure she's glad she took that path. This'll end ok for her one way or another, I bet.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                Trump would like to fund SNAP, but rules are rules.

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                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  At least ice service is still being funded!

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