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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
    wrote last edited by
    #1375

    Honestly it’s like calling a glance at a black woman’s hair ‘white supremacy’.

    You take a word with a well understood and emotionally charged meaning and apply it to something very different with the hopes of getting some of the stink of the word on the new thing.

    Of course it also cheapens the word if you’re successful.

    This tweet pithily demonstrates that since most of us still assign to the word the original horror it was meant to convey, but there’s a palpable absurdity in its use given Hamas is taking days to decide whether it wants it to end and will probably not quite get there. After all, there’s hunger, and there’s release-the-hostages hunger. Their famine seems to be somewhere between the two.

    If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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    • kluursK Offline
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      kluurs
      wrote last edited by
      #1376

      Kind of like "antisemitism" - which may be an even more disenchanting rabbit hole to dive down.

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        #1377

        Imagine if Germany had won WWII and as part of an agreement with Mexico - California, Texas, New Mexico, Oklahoma and Arizona were returned to Mexico. Individuals living in those states would be confined to a narrow area along the coast of California - would Americans accept that that the native Indians had lived here for 14000 years and were rightfully occupying their land? Yeah, I'm sure. Not to say that Genocide isn't the answer- but it was always going to be an ugly business - and Israel's founders as well as many throughout the world knew it would be a problem.

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          wrote last edited by jon-nyc
          #1378

          As Yuval Noah Harari has said it’s not a border dispute, there’s enough land for both peoples. It’s a conflict of narratives and as such is intractable.

          While two states is the only eventual solution (since neither people are going anywhere) it seems like we’ve never been further from that in my lifetime.

          If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            As Yuval Noah Harari has said it’s not a border dispute, there’s enough land for both peoples. It’s a conflict of narratives and as such is intractable.

            While two states is the only eventual solution (since neither people are going anywhere) it seems like we’ve never been further from that in my lifetime.

            kluursK Offline
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            wrote last edited by kluurs
            #1379

            @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

            As Yuval Noah Harari has said it’s not a border dispute, there’s enough land for both peoples. It’s a conflict of narratives and as such is intractable.

            While two states is the only eventual solution (since neither people are going anywhere) it seems like we’ve never been further from that in my lifetime.

            Not entirely true. Look at the West Bank - settlers continue to steal secure additional land for no compensation. Listen to the Israeli officials and view the patches on Israeli soldiers showing a "greater Israel" comprising territory of several nations.

            Israel has a blank check of armament and support from the most powerful nation in the world.

            Truth be told, Israel will get whatever it wants - BUT, there will be a cost even if Israel manages to influence/edit/quash/purchase social and mainstream media.

            Like many on the right, I preferred the days of watching a world based on the principles of Andy Griffith and Mayberry - and maybe we'll get there - just no time soon. It's just hard to drink the Kool-Aid of good guys vs. bad guys in a more interconnected world.

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            • jon-nycJ Online
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              jon-nyc
              wrote last edited by
              #1380

              I didn’t make myself understood. I guess I mean it doesn’t have to be a conflict over resources, though it is. But that’s more narrative driven. Both think god gave them the land.

              If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                Honestly it’s like calling a glance at a black woman’s hair ‘white supremacy’.

                You take a word with a well understood and emotionally charged meaning and apply it to something very different with the hopes of getting some of the stink of the word on the new thing.

                Of course it also cheapens the word if you’re successful.

                This tweet pithily demonstrates that since most of us still assign to the word the original horror it was meant to convey, but there’s a palpable absurdity in its use given Hamas is taking days to decide whether it wants it to end and will probably not quite get there. After all, there’s hunger, and there’s release-the-hostages hunger. Their famine seems to be somewhere between the two.

                MikM Away
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                Mik
                wrote last edited by
                #1381

                @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                Honestly it’s like calling a glance at a black woman’s hair ‘white supremacy’.

                You take a word with a well understood and emotionally charged meaning and apply it to something very different with the hopes of getting some of the stink of the word on the new thing.

                Of course it also cheapens the word if you’re successful.

                This tweet pithily demonstrates that since most of us still assign to the word the original horror it was meant to convey, but there’s a palpable absurdity in its use given Hamas is taking days to decide whether it wants it to end and will probably not quite get there. After all, there’s hunger, and there’s release-the-hostages hunger. Their famine seems to be somewhere between the two.

                Exactly.

                "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  Honestly it’s like calling a glance at a black woman’s hair ‘white supremacy’.

                  You take a word with a well understood and emotionally charged meaning and apply it to something very different with the hopes of getting some of the stink of the word on the new thing.

                  Of course it also cheapens the word if you’re successful.

                  This tweet pithily demonstrates that since most of us still assign to the word the original horror it was meant to convey, but there’s a palpable absurdity in its use given Hamas is taking days to decide whether it wants it to end and will probably not quite get there. After all, there’s hunger, and there’s release-the-hostages hunger. Their famine seems to be somewhere between the two.

                  kluursK Offline
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                  wrote last edited by
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                  @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                  This tweet pithily demonstrates that since most of us still assign to the word the original horror it was meant to convey, but there’s a palpable absurdity in its use given Hamas is taking days to decide whether it wants it to end and will probably not quite get there. .

                  You must have missed it, but Hamas signed onto the deal as of last Friday.

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                    AndyD
                    wrote last edited by
                    #1383

                    Signed on in part, from what I've read.

                    Will they allow others to govern? Will they disarm?

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                      #1384

                      I thought that the agreement meant that Hamas would not be allowed to exist as a government. I would be surprised if they easily signed on to this.

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        Honestly it’s like calling a glance at a black woman’s hair ‘white supremacy’.

                        You take a word with a well understood and emotionally charged meaning and apply it to something very different with the hopes of getting some of the stink of the word on the new thing.

                        Of course it also cheapens the word if you’re successful.

                        This tweet pithily demonstrates that since most of us still assign to the word the original horror it was meant to convey, but there’s a palpable absurdity in its use given Hamas is taking days to decide whether it wants it to end and will probably not quite get there. After all, there’s hunger, and there’s release-the-hostages hunger. Their famine seems to be somewhere between the two.

                        bachophileB Online
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                        bachophile
                        wrote last edited by bachophile
                        #1385

                        @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                        Honestly it’s like calling a glance at a black woman’s hair ‘white supremacy’.

                        You take a word with a well understood and emotionally charged meaning and apply it to something very different with the hopes of getting some of the stink of the word on the new thing.

                        Of course it also cheapens the word if you’re successful.

                        This tweet pithily demonstrates that since most of us still assign to the word the original horror it was meant to convey, but there’s a palpable absurdity in its use given Hamas is taking days to decide whether it wants it to end and will probably not quite get there. After all, there’s hunger, and there’s release-the-hostages hunger. Their famine seems to be somewhere between the two.

                        I agree with all you wrote very eloquently but I think the one problem which facilitates the cheapening of the term is the fact that the holocaust is getting so farther and farther back in history such that many young people simply are disconnected to it ( a recurring theme in this aging forum is that historical events once so present in our psyche are but wisps of memory for young people. Pearl Harbor seems to be forgotten and the impact of 9/11 will be in another generation.matter of time that movies like Schindler’s list or the pianist describing world war 2 will not be made anymore)

                        Be that as it may, your description of the use of the word genocide is right on target. What a fucked up world. Just reading the descriptions by the flotilla detainees led by Greta of their 48 imprisonment being nazi like, is enough to make you shake your head and think how are people so incredibly stupid.

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