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Glad the free speech folks are in charge

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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    @LuFins-Dad said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

    Start at 3:45

    Listen from 0:00. The whole thing is good.

    ABC - Always Be Caving

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    @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

    @LuFins-Dad said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

    Start at 3:45

    Listen from 0:00. The whole thing is good.

    ABC - Always Be Caving

    Meh, I remember Maher’s cancellation. That was organic and consequential. This was in the era that everybody was rallying around the US military and the leadership, everybody was pissed, angry, and scared after 9/11, and Maher was out there calling the terrorists “Warriors” and seemed to be questioning the heart and ability of US soldiers. That firing was driven by advertisers pulling, viewership complaining, and was a lot not more expected and natural of a result.

    The Brad

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      Thanks for sharing LD, good commentary (and wit) from Maher as always.

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        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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          Chomsky once said “I’m all for free speech but….” isn’t some middle ground. It’s how the anti-free speech side has always been expressed.

          In woke times I loved pulling that out to lefties who wanted to ban hate speech speech they hated. Because invariably they claimed Chomsky as a kindred spirit and it caused them palpable discomfort to imagine themselves on the other side of this issue from him.

          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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            https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1135689774572837

            I was only joking

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Chomsky once said “I’m all for free speech but….” isn’t some middle ground. It’s how the anti-free speech side has always been expressed.

              In woke times I loved pulling that out to lefties who wanted to ban hate speech speech they hated. Because invariably they claimed Chomsky as a kindred spirit and it caused them palpable discomfort to imagine themselves on the other side of this issue from him.

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              @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

              Chomsky once said “I’m all for free speech but….” isn’t some middle ground. It’s how the anti-free speech side has always been expressed.

              It's not a categorically wrong beginning of a sentence, as I think most people agree that free speech absolutism is incoherent with other commonly accepted rights. Of course as Bondi fumbled around about "hate speech", she was as wrong about that as the left always has been. And the mainstream right pundit class rejected it.

              Education is extremely important.

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                Yes one could phrase a prohibition of libel that way, for example. But Chomsky was referring to what we constantly saw among the woke left and, now that they have institutional power, the woke right. Namely a category of speech they find particularly offensive to them.

                Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                  Words aren’t violence. Violence is violence. In this case, pretending that Kirk’s words were violence created actual violence.

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                    What’s your evidence that the killer thought Kirk’s words were violence? I only saw him labeling them as hateful. The same designation your party’s leaders are giving to words that they don’t like.

                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                      Now we're nitpicking rhetorical meaning of political rhetoric and whether the murderer ever uttered certain words in a certain order. This is peak rhetorical combat. Meanwhile, the politically motivated assassin subscribed to banal self-righteous hatred of the right, the likes of which can be consumed from any common source of left-wing punditry. The only thing fringe about him were his actions. His words were totally mainstream.

                      Education is extremely important.

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