Biden to speak soon
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I don’t know, Jolly. Most people I encounter haven’t been exposed to the debunking of it. Things can be reported wrong and gain traction that way, from the benign (“DB” Cooper) to the trivial (potatoe) to the insidious (‘only two percent of rape claims are false’). This clearly falls in that category. It’s far from obvious that Biden has seen the debunking.
Anyway, if you want to hear a Presidential candidate’s speech that contains no falsehoods maybe you’ll have better luck next week.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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The last thing we need on the campaign trail is for either candidate to reveal his meat.
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I don’t know, Jolly. Most people I encounter haven’t been exposed to the debunking of it. Things can be reported wrong and gain traction that way, from the benign (“DB” Cooper) to the trivial (potatoe) to the insidious (‘only two percent of rape claims are false’). This clearly falls in that category. It’s far from obvious that Biden has seen the debunking.
Anyway, if you want to hear a Presidential candidate’s speech that contains no falsehoods maybe you’ll have better luck next week.
@jon-nyc said in Biden to speak soon:
I don’t know, Jolly. Most people I encounter haven’t been exposed to the debunking of it. Things can be reported wrong and gain traction that way, from the benign (“DB” Cooper) to the trivial (potatoe) to the insidious (‘only two percent of rape claims are false’). This clearly falls in that category. It’s far from obvious that Biden has seen the debunking.
All dishonest political messaging can fall under that category.
If Biden were to be presented with a thorough debunking, he would continue to go on saying it. Because it is politically valuable to paint Trump as a cartoonish racist. And that's why the willful ignorance (at best) of that point persists. There is no meaningful difference between that willful ignorance and a deliberate lie. I look forward to you flailing away at an attempt to catch me in something similar.
Anyway, if you want to hear a Presidential candidate’s speech that contains no falsehoods maybe you’ll have better luck next week.
Whatabout Trump?
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I've seen fact checks of the speech from such places as WaPo and the BBC, each of which identifies the falsehood about the "fine people" remark. It's an important accusation, as I would hope we can all agree, but those whose tribe the false accusation benefits will find ways to shrug it off.
Jon, don't forget to point it out to me next time I engage in that sort of thing. I'm going to hold you to that one. Let's see if you're up to it, or if you're just posturing, as usual.
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Biden did a pretty good job of not veering into highly controversial / non-fact based criticisms of Trump.
The "fine sides" and BLM stuff was probably the touchiest - and as evidenced by this thread, sucks up oxygen for no good reason.
But on Russia he kept to "election interference" instead of collusion. I don't even think he mentioned impeachment.
On criticisms of covid response he kept to comparison against other countries, making PPE in the U.S. instead of China, and a federal mask mandate. Things that the federal govt. could actually do something about.
In short - the speech didn't seem like it was written by a "radical leftist".
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Biden did a pretty good job of not veering into highly controversial / non-fact based criticisms of Trump.
The "fine sides" and BLM stuff was probably the touchiest - and as evidenced by this thread, sucks up oxygen for no good reason.
But on Russia he kept to "election interference" instead of collusion. I don't even think he mentioned impeachment.
On criticisms of covid response he kept to comparison against other countries, making PPE in the U.S. instead of China, and a federal mask mandate. Things that the federal govt. could actually do something about.
In short - the speech didn't seem like it was written by a "radical leftist".
@xenon said in Biden to speak soon:
Biden did a pretty good job of not veering into highly controversial / non-fact based criticisms of Trump.
The "fine sides" and BLM stuff was probably the touchiest - and as evidenced by this thread, sucks up oxygen for no good reason.
Any Trump voter has good reason to take that particular dishonest accusation seriously and personally. It is a purely tribal response to shrug it off. Objectively, that particular false accusation contributes to the wide swath of reputation damage done to anybody who publicly supports Trump.
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Biden did a pretty good job of not veering into highly controversial / non-fact based criticisms of Trump.
The "fine sides" and BLM stuff was probably the touchiest - and as evidenced by this thread, sucks up oxygen for no good reason.
But on Russia he kept to "election interference" instead of collusion. I don't even think he mentioned impeachment.
On criticisms of covid response he kept to comparison against other countries, making PPE in the U.S. instead of China, and a federal mask mandate. Things that the federal govt. could actually do something about.
In short - the speech didn't seem like it was written by a "radical leftist".
@xenon said in Biden to speak soon:
Biden did a pretty good job of not veering into highly controversial / non-fact based criticisms of Trump.
The "fine sides" and BLM stuff was probably the touchiest - and as evidenced by this thread, sucks up oxygen for no good reason.
But on Russia he kept to "election interference" instead of collusion. I don't even think he mentioned impeachment.
On criticisms of covid response he kept to comparison against other countries, making PPE in the U.S. instead of China, and a federal mask mandate. Things that the federal govt. could actually do something about.
In short - the speech didn't seem like it was written by a "radical leftist".
It was supposed to be that way...That is the narrative. Funny ol' Uncle Joe...Yeah, he's a little eccentric, the hair sniffing and what not, but he wouldn't hurt a flea. Reassuring. Calm. Inclusive.
Meanwhile, if you watched much of the rest of the convention, especially the daytine, streaming stuff, you got to see some of the most divisive, racist and Left-wing people in American politics.
And if you think Uncle Joe ain't gonna be beholden to many of these idiots in his own party, appointing them to government positions where they will influence policy, there ain't a cow in Texas.
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Three things come to mind...
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Biden has a history of plagiarizing speeches. He's lazy.
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In this instance it very well may be that his caretakers figured that all the rehearsing he did the first time he gave the speech would help him get through a reading of it this time easier than giving a newly written speech, minimizing the chances of him doing something that showed his senility.
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Most importantly, it shows that he promised all the same stuff a decade ago, didn't actually do a damned bit of it, and he won't do any of it this time either.
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It's early yet, but I think Ax made the Point of the Day. POTD for Ax!
There have been a lot of POTDs before this one, but none that were the Point of the Day. All those that came before were the less illustrious Post of the Days. Now that Ax has established the magnificence of Points of the Day, will Post of the Day awards lose their luster? Time will tell! The only certainty is that Ax will continue to push the boundaries of what is possible in a TNCR post.
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@George-K said in Biden to speak soon:
Shows that Biden is consistent, Biden is trustworthy.
You cannot fake consistency over 12 years.
Heck, fickle Trump says one thing in the morning and contradict himself the same afternoon.@Axtremus said in Biden to speak soon:
Shows that Biden is consistent, Biden is trustworthy.
You cannot fake consistency over 12 years.
Heck, fickle Trump says one thing in the morning and contradict himself the same afternoon.Excellent point, as everyone pointed out.
Now, when they had 8 years in power to fix those things, how did it all work out?
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Ax, if they put your brain in a dead bird it would fly backwards.
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@Larry said in Biden to speak soon:
Ax, if they put your brain in a dead bird it would fly backwards.
WRONG!!
If they put Ax's brain in a bird, it would fly like an eagle, way way up in the clouds where the air is so thin it's hard to think straight.EagleAx. AxEagle. Either way, the compliment's the same.
The smartest bird-brain in the sky. bbbeeeeautiful.
And, the smartest brain on land.
