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Biden to speak soon

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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    FoxNews called it “the most forceful and steely speech of his career”.

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    @jon-nyc said in Biden to speak soon:

    FoxNews called it “the most forceful and steely speech of his career”.

    Wow, Fox news continues to demonstrate that it is closer to impartial than any other mainstream news source.

    For my part I was impressed that he did little stumbling. The acting of the ebbs and flows was forced and affected and smarmy to my sensibilities, but it was a decent speech for the masses.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      You’re acting as if you don’t know what ‘dishonest’ means. It has nothing to do with what someone personally witnessed.

      You’re putting yourself in the ‘Bush lied moonpies fried’ camp.

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      @jon-nyc said in Biden to speak soon:

      You’re acting as if you don’t know what ‘dishonest’ means. It has nothing to do with what someone personally witnessed.

      You’re putting yourself in the ‘Bush lied moonpies fried’ camp.

      Well, no, I'm not acting like I don't know what 'dishonest' means. But you're acting like Biden made a good faith effort to attain the truth of that rather severe allegation before making it.

      Education is extremely important.

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        No actually I was just giving a direct and serious answer to your question.

        Only non-witches get due process.

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          no, you didn't. A direct answer would have involved admitting the factual basis of the claim, not wriggling around about semantic definitions of lying vs good faith mistakes. Which of course you know it cannot be.

          Education is extremely important.

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            I thought it was a great speech. Dude can seriously still read, and emote. As someone who, in my mid-50's, started fumbling for words, I don't think Joe has dementia or Alzheimers (God I hope not).

            I did find it funny that he lambasted Trump for suspending the FICA withholding. Didn't Obama do the same thing in 2008?

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              no, you didn't. A direct answer would have involved admitting the factual basis of the claim, not wriggling around about semantic definitions of lying vs good faith mistakes. Which of course you know it cannot be.

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              @Horace said in Biden to speak soon:

              no, you didn't. A direct answer would have involved admitting the factual basis of the claim, not wriggling around about semantic definitions of lying vs good faith mistakes. Which of course you know it cannot be.

              It’s a huge distinction. Bush was wrong about WMD. He didn’t lie. If you meant to ask a different question just say so.

              Only non-witches get due process.

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                No, I don't allow that Biden made a good faith mistake. And I don't allow a huge distinction between willful ignorance and a deliberate lie.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  I’ll remember that. You are willfully, um, innocent about many subjects that you are newly keen to speak about. Politics and history chiefly among them.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    You say things like that and then never back them up.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      no, you didn't. A direct answer would have involved admitting the factual basis of the claim, not wriggling around about semantic definitions of lying vs good faith mistakes. Which of course you know it cannot be.

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                      @Horace said in Biden to speak soon:

                      not wriggling around about semantic definitions

                      Bro, are you anti-semantic?

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        FoxNews called it “the most forceful and steely speech of his career”.

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                        @jon-nyc said in Biden to speak soon:

                        FoxNews called it “the most forceful and steely speech of his career”.

                        I watched a little bit of it. Let's be honest, this dude has been nothing but a smooth operating politician for 40 years with his fake smiles, (creepy) hugs, and ability to go from serious to somber on a dime. Combine that with the fact that he was in a room with very few people, reading from a script (as @Kincaid said), it would be hard not to give a good speech. Even for any of us here.

                        I truly don't mean that as a critique of Biden, it's just more I think I'll always be annoyed the bar for our leaders is so incredibly low.

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                          @jon-nyc said in Biden to speak soon:

                          FoxNews called it “the most forceful and steely speech of his career”.

                          I watched a little bit of it. Let's be honest, this dude has been nothing but a smooth operating politician for 40 years with his fake smiles, (creepy) hugs, and ability to go from serious to somber on a dime. Combine that with the fact that he was in a room with very few people, reading from a script (as @Kincaid said), it would be hard not to give a good speech. Even for any of us here.

                          I truly don't mean that as a critique of Biden, it's just more I think I'll always be annoyed the bar for our leaders is so incredibly low.

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                          @89th said in Biden to speak soon:

                          Combine that with the fact that he was in a room with very few people, reading from a script (as @Kincaid said), it would be hard not to give a good speech. Even for any of us here.

                          And yet there is variation across individuals, and across different speeches by the same individual. Even though they are all prepared speeches displayed on a teleprompter.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            You’re acting as if you don’t know what ‘dishonest’ means. It has nothing to do with what someone personally witnessed.

                            You’re putting yourself in the ‘Bush lied moonpies fried’ camp.

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                            @jon-nyc said in Biden to speak soon:

                            You’re acting as if you don’t know what ‘dishonest’ means. It has nothing to do with what someone personally witnessed.

                            You’re putting yourself in the ‘Bush lied moonpies fried’ camp.

                            No, when something is proven to be wrong, and the "fine people" trope has certainly and exhaustively been proven to be wrong, it is nothing more than a planned lie to include it in a speech of such import.

                            And as a comment, a speech that has been rehearsed for weeks may not be a good indicator of a person's actual mental state.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              I don’t know, Jolly. Most people I encounter haven’t been exposed to the debunking of it. Things can be reported wrong and gain traction that way, from the benign (“DB” Cooper) to the trivial (potatoe) to the insidious (‘only two percent of rape claims are false’). This clearly falls in that category. It’s far from obvious that Biden has seen the debunking.

                              Anyway, if you want to hear a Presidential candidate’s speech that contains no falsehoods maybe you’ll have better luck next week.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                                Biden ain't most people. He is an old Washington hand, surrounded by people who live and breathe politics.

                                He knew. It was done deliberately for political advantage. The alternative may be even more alarming.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  The meat of his abilities will come out on the campaign trail.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    The last thing we need on the campaign trail is for either candidate to reveal his meat.

                                    I was only joking

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                                      From America's Paper of Record:

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                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        snort

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          I don’t know, Jolly. Most people I encounter haven’t been exposed to the debunking of it. Things can be reported wrong and gain traction that way, from the benign (“DB” Cooper) to the trivial (potatoe) to the insidious (‘only two percent of rape claims are false’). This clearly falls in that category. It’s far from obvious that Biden has seen the debunking.

                                          Anyway, if you want to hear a Presidential candidate’s speech that contains no falsehoods maybe you’ll have better luck next week.

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                                          @jon-nyc said in Biden to speak soon:

                                          I don’t know, Jolly. Most people I encounter haven’t been exposed to the debunking of it. Things can be reported wrong and gain traction that way, from the benign (“DB” Cooper) to the trivial (potatoe) to the insidious (‘only two percent of rape claims are false’). This clearly falls in that category. It’s far from obvious that Biden has seen the debunking.

                                          All dishonest political messaging can fall under that category.

                                          If Biden were to be presented with a thorough debunking, he would continue to go on saying it. Because it is politically valuable to paint Trump as a cartoonish racist. And that's why the willful ignorance (at best) of that point persists. There is no meaningful difference between that willful ignorance and a deliberate lie. I look forward to you flailing away at an attempt to catch me in something similar.

                                          Anyway, if you want to hear a Presidential candidate’s speech that contains no falsehoods maybe you’ll have better luck next week.

                                          Whatabout Trump?

                                          Education is extremely important.

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