So let me get this straight…
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I am not a President Trump fan, but there is some truth about crime in cities that he is talking about. Yes, by statistics, violent crime may be down, but I think a lot of us here would not want to walk around cities (or parts of cities) alone late at night.
A lot of it relates back to culture. When people feel it is okay to have a "flash mob" and bother people, rob someone, etc, that is just not goo. And that, I dont know how to change that behavior.
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Like I said in my first post, you can believe crime is a problem and think that Trumps approach isn’t the right one. And certainly not trust his motives. (Note he isn’t going after the cities with the highest crime rates, he’s limiting it to cities where he’s despised)
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I think you are all missing the point entirely. Over the past several years the progressive message has been to just tolerate crime, don't prosecute the poor dears, they have so little. As a result, crime just skyrocketed or at least got far more brazen. Thieves steal openly from stores and no one does anything about it. This is a message that that era is over. Areas I used to walk with my wife and young daughter in Chicago at night I would not walk in the daytime now. We have a problem. If this resets the public's perception of tolerance of crime it will have been a good thing.
"The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil
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Guess they are doing landscaping now.
@89th said in So let me get this straight…:
Guess they are doing landscaping now.
Should be ICE doing it. That would be poetic.
If you don't take it, it can only good happen.
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@89th said in So let me get this straight…:
Guess they are doing landscaping now.
Should be ICE doing it. That would be poetic.
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I think you are all missing the point entirely. Over the past several years the progressive message has been to just tolerate crime, don't prosecute the poor dears, they have so little. As a result, crime just skyrocketed or at least got far more brazen. Thieves steal openly from stores and no one does anything about it. This is a message that that era is over. Areas I used to walk with my wife and young daughter in Chicago at night I would not walk in the daytime now. We have a problem. If this resets the public's perception of tolerance of crime it will have been a good thing.
@Mik said in So let me get this straight…:
I think you are all missing the point entirely. Over the past several years the progressive message has been to just tolerate crime, don't prosecute the poor dears, they have so little. As a result, crime just skyrocketed or at least got far more brazen. Thieves steal openly from stores and no one does anything about it. This is a message that that era is over. Areas I used to walk with my wife and young daughter in Chicago at night I would not walk in the daytime now. We have a problem. If this resets the public's perception of tolerance of crime it will have been a good thing.
No the point was a distraction from Epstein, and it has worked somewhat. The facts Trump used to justify deploying the military were false (shocker... lies from Trump) and the use of the National Guard and wartime vehicles with machine guns is laughable. I agree the "let them go" law enforcement mentality mostly seen in SF, Philly, and Chicago during mob/robberies and what not should end (I believe most of it has ended and folks are being prosecuted again).
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And how exactly would you get that message across nationally?
The payoff here, if there is one, will come from the public’s reaction. Even NPR could not find a majority of DC residents that opposed it today.
"The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil
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:yawn:
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I think you are all missing the point entirely. Over the past several years the progressive message has been to just tolerate crime, don't prosecute the poor dears, they have so little. As a result, crime just skyrocketed or at least got far more brazen. Thieves steal openly from stores and no one does anything about it. This is a message that that era is over. Areas I used to walk with my wife and young daughter in Chicago at night I would not walk in the daytime now. We have a problem. If this resets the public's perception of tolerance of crime it will have been a good thing.
@Mik said in So let me get this straight…:
I think you are all missing the point entirely. Over the past several years the progressive message has been to just tolerate crime, don't prosecute the poor dears, they have so little. As a result, crime just skyrocketed or at least got far more brazen. Thieves steal openly from stores and no one does anything about it. This is a message that that era is over. Areas I used to walk with my wife and young daughter in Chicago at night I would not walk in the daytime now. We have a problem. If this resets the public's perception of tolerance of crime it will have been a good thing.
Agree with Mik. Again, a culture thing where people think it is okay to walk into a store and take something, and get mad if they are tried to be stopped.
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And how exactly would you get that message across nationally?
The payoff here, if there is one, will come from the public’s reaction. Even NPR could not find a majority of DC residents that opposed it today.
@Mik said in So let me get this straight…:
And how exactly would you get that message across nationally?
The payoff here, if there is one, will come from the public’s reaction. Even NPR could not find a majority of DC residents that opposed it today.
I mean, it was already trending in the right direction. For example, in San Fran in 2024, homicides and robberies had dropped like 30%, and continue to go down into this year.
For Chicago, same trend.
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In THE political town, you can manufacture whatever narrative you want and find select groups to support that narrative. I can tell you that I know A LOT of people that are happier in DC. We’re planning a day at the zoo and museums next week, and Karla and I are going to a show.
The people that I personally know that are bitching about it? All live in gated townhome and apartment communities in Reston, Arlington, Chevy Chase, Bethesda….
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In October my next work trip might let me visit the zoo and some museums as well, and I'm looking forward not getting mugged unlike the zero times I was mugged when I used to visit DC weekly while running, or at the zoo, or at a museum or walking around the Capitol, or walking to the Nats games, or coming out of the bars, or leaving the Caps game, or taking photos at night. I look forward to the stream of zero assaults continuing, thanks to the military and their tanks!
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Oh totally. My point is Trump's use of the military, humvees, machine gunes, and MRAPs... a little late to the party. The trend started like 2 years ago for most places, including DC.
@89th said in So let me get this straight…:
Oh totally. My point is Trump's use of the military, humvees, machine gunes, and MRAPs... a little late to the party. The trend started like 2 years ago for most places, including DC.
It's all about the messaging. Criminals need to be much more afraid of getting caught and punished.
