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  • MikM Mik

    US military involvement is maybe the worst idea ever.

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    @Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

    US military involvement is maybe the worst idea ever.

    I would have agreed with that for the vast majority of our history here. I often said that Israel should take it as an existential threat and not let it happen but it was only a peripheral interest of ours.

    But I've since come to believe that the model they have in the Middle East - funding and developing proxy armies inside all the other countries - was something they were going to export to Europe, certainly, and in the US if they could pull it off.

    I want us to crush their program completely. Knowing that the regime will likely fall.

    There are things the US military is bad at and things they're good at. They're bad at bringing democracy to countries without a history of it, but they're damn good at blowing up nuclear sties in mountains. I want them to do this.

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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        That account just posted 'damn, I really wanted to sleep tonight'. lol

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          Polymarket at 67.5%

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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            Mass exodus from Tehran.

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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              Nice visual of poymarket odds.

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              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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                (not endorsing his conclusion, just passing on the info that China issued advice to its citizens)

                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                -Cormac McCarthy

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                  Another view of traffic heading out of Tehran.

                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
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                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                          Here we go.

                          Of course I wanted Bush to do this in 2006.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            MagaRat Taylor Greene is against it.

                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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                              I’m not getting any confirmation.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                MagaRat Taylor Greene is against it.

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                                @jon-nyc said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                                MagaRat Taylor Greene is against it.

                                It, MTG, is so virtuous.

                                Elbows up!

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                                  I just love people who want to define what a real American is.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    Once again I've been offline for a few hours, just put the kids to bed, and now I get my news updates from TNCR! Interesting to scan this thread over the last few hours.

                                    My first thought as @jon-nyc was posting the market odds was... I could see Trump going in for the "gimme putt" after Israel does most of the work, so that we can claim victory.

                                    Nonetheless, Jon you are right there are things we do well and things we don't. Blow shit up is one thing we do really well. And will it cause WW3? I doubt it. I'm not an expert in the slightest, but I can't imagine the big boys like China or Russia are willing to jump into the poker hand for Iran. The folks that count on Iran seem to be the weaker Islamic countries that don't have many chips to play poker with in the first place. So WW3? Doubtful. Iran losing and regime change? Probably... although could be decades of chaos within as a result. Maybe that's a good thing, better than a well-armed and/or nuclear Iran that threatens Israel's existence and by proxy, the western free world.

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                                      I think what we need to consider is just how deep the centrifuges at Fordo are. There’s no guarantee the MOPs would be successful.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        Am more drawn to analyses of events and crises such as this and Ukraine.

                                        A an old friend of mine who lives in Ottawa sent me the following. Pretty compelling reading about Israel’s capabilities and Iran’s lack thereof. A few parallels with what Ukraine has been achieving lately against Russia. Both wars will be studied at military academies for some time to come.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                          lol.

                                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                          -Cormac McCarthy

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