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Single Americans Earning the Average Salary Don't Get to "Live Comfortably" in the USA

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  • 89th8 Offline
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    This should be by county, not state. Also, folks should probably spend a month in Indonesia, Egypt, or India before they talk about what is comfortable.

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    • MikM Offline
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      No, it's tough. My daughter makes more than that and still has a hard time making ends meet.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        Yup - I saw a video of a young woman computer science graduate from NYU who hasn't been able to get a job. And she'll have student loans. I can't imagine. Were I young person, I do as much as feasible to avoid the student loan trap.

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        • MikM Mik

          No, it's tough. My daughter makes more than that and still has a hard time making ends meet.

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          @Mik said in Single Americans Earning the Average Salary Don't Get to "Live Comfortably" in the USA:

          No, it's tough. My daughter makes more than that and still has a hard time making ends meet.

          Fair enough, and yes it's more expensive to live here so you need to make more.

          I was just thinking more along the lines that 60 percent (!) of people in the world do not even have a toilet in their home, or that 2 billion people do not have access to clean drinking water.

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            I’m glad my son will leave college debt free. It’s a rarity these days.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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            • MikM Offline
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              It is. We got ours through five undergrad year with no debt and a car. Ever since then she's made consistently good decisions. A lot of that is we normally involved her in the reasoning process behind how we made decisions as a family.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                Good example, Mik. We are saving via 529 plans, and I have UTMAs I'll (automatically) transfer to them when they turn 21. Hopefully it shows the power of compound interest over the 21 years, they can use it to help with a down payment on a home or (hopefully) just continue saving each month to it and having a good chunk of change by the time they're 40 or 50. My parents were great but they never taught me any financial literacy, and I know we've talked about it here before, but I'm hoping to teach what I learned in my 30s to my kids by the time they graduate.

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                • HoraceH Offline
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                  I too never knew money mattered, until my mid 20s. Not a topic of dinner table conversation. I can only barely imagine it as a foreign concept now.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    So, how to plan ...

                    1. ROI analysis. Be sure to do an ROI analysis before choosing a college or a field of study. Unless you are sure you can pass down an inheritance that can last your child's lifetime, your child is in no position to "follow the heart" in any way that is not favorably supported by the ROI analysis when it comes to choosing a school, a field of study, a profession, maybe even a spouse.

                    2. Financial literacy. No more of this "my parents are great though they did not teach me financial literacy" stuff. Going forward, parents who do not teach their kids financial literacy are automatically disqualified from being labeled "great parents."

                    3. Plumbing school reserve. Be sure to reserve extra money for plumbing school just in case AI takes over whatever job you or your kid thinks s/he's going to have after graduating college. (Of course, the large inheritance exception also applies here.)

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                    • MikM Mik

                      It is. We got ours through five undergrad year with no debt and a car. Ever since then she's made consistently good decisions. A lot of that is we normally involved her in the reasoning process behind how we made decisions as a family.

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                      @Mik said in Single Americans Earning the Average Salary Don't Get to "Live Comfortably" in the USA:

                      It is. We got ours through five undergrad year with no debt and a car. Ever since then she's made consistently good decisions. A lot of that is we normally involved her in the reasoning process behind how we made decisions as a family.

                      White Privilege. This is EXACTLY what systematic racism looks like. (And FWIW my wife and I did the same for our kids. We, like Mic try to be good parents.) And talking about money, not as a fixation, but gently explaining situations and costs and rewards all through a kids life gives them some understanding of what life really looks like. Nothing worse than being brought up in a fictional universe and then at 18 or 21 being thrust out there in the real world to fend for yourself.

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                        We’ve paid half the tuition and are paying the interest on the loans. Luke is paying the principal.

                        That being said, I think it’s been tough living at the median income with a single income since the 80s, when the majority of families became two income households.

                        The Brad

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