Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Tags
  • Popular
  • Users
  • Groups
Skins
  • Light
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Collapse

The New Coffee Room

  1. TNCR
  2. General Discussion
  3. Net Worth and pensions

Net Worth and pensions

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved General Discussion
20 Posts 5 Posters 93 Views
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • N Offline
    N Offline
    NobodySock
    wrote last edited by
    #1

    i am striking out hard tonight trying to find a networth calculator that addresses pensions and how to value them into your net worth. can anyone assist?

    1 Reply Last reply
    • MikM Offline
      MikM Offline
      Mik
      wrote last edited by
      #2

      Look for cash value of an annuity.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

      1 Reply Last reply
      • jon-nycJ Offline
        jon-nycJ Offline
        jon-nyc
        wrote last edited by
        #3

        Try ChatGPT. Tell it the monthly amount and your age, tell it the payments stop at death and ask it to calculate the present value of the cash flows.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
        1 Reply Last reply
        • jon-nycJ Offline
          jon-nycJ Offline
          jon-nyc
          wrote last edited by
          #4

          Check the answer with grok or Claude

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
          1 Reply Last reply
          • jon-nycJ Offline
            jon-nycJ Offline
            jon-nyc
            wrote last edited by
            #5

            By the way there are better ways to impress the Italian chicks. Start with buying nicer clothes. 😁

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
            N 1 Reply Last reply
            • 89th8 Offline
              89th8 Offline
              89th
              wrote last edited by
              #6

              Sorry if a stupid question, but wouldn't net worth be summarized by year. In other words, current net worth (all assets minus all debts), then year after year you'll project your income and expenses to find out net worth projections by year?

              1 Reply Last reply
              • jon-nycJ Offline
                jon-nycJ Offline
                jon-nyc
                wrote last edited by
                #7

                It’s true net worth changes with time. A pension’s value at 55 is very different than at 95. But at any point in time it has a value.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
                1 Reply Last reply
                • 89th8 Offline
                  89th8 Offline
                  89th
                  wrote last edited by
                  #8

                  Ugh I just got an MBA flashback of Net Present Value and now I feel sick.

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  • jon-nycJ Offline
                    jon-nycJ Offline
                    jon-nyc
                    wrote last edited by jon-nyc
                    #9

                    When I was at Credit Suisse I had all these tools on my desktop.

                    I remember when my buddy won the (VA) state lottery and chose the lump sum. He asked me if it was a good deal. It turned out it was more than we would have valued the 30 year cash flows from a tier 1 bank. VA probably assumed zero credit risk and zero inflation when they calculated it.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
                    1 Reply Last reply
                    • 89th8 Offline
                      89th8 Offline
                      89th
                      wrote last edited by
                      #10

                      Ah so that's how Copper was able to retire.

                      1 Reply Last reply
                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        By the way there are better ways to impress the Italian chicks. Start with buying nicer clothes. 😁

                        N Offline
                        N Offline
                        NobodySock
                        wrote last edited by
                        #11

                        @jon-nyc said in Net Worth and pensions:

                        By the way there are better ways to impress the Italian chicks. Start with buying nicer clothes. 😁

                        Ha! I'm afraid if they saw my cash flow in retirement, that I would need to hire a doorman at my villa to screen all the aspiring representatives of the fairer sex. I already have a small queue forming on my FB messenger from the American variety

                        1 Reply Last reply
                        • N Offline
                          N Offline
                          NobodySock
                          wrote last edited by
                          #12
                          This post is deleted!
                          N 1 Reply Last reply
                          • N NobodySock

                            This post is deleted!

                            N Offline
                            N Offline
                            NobodySock
                            wrote last edited by NobodySock
                            #13

                            @NobodySock said in Net Worth and pensions:

                            how to determine pension value in net worth

                            ChatGPT said:
                            To determine the pension value in your net worth, you need to estimate the present value of your future pension payments, since net worth is a snapshot of your financial position today. Here's how you can do that:

                            1. Know the Type of Pension
                              Defined Contribution (e.g., 401(k), RRSP): The account balance is already part of your net worth.

                            Defined Benefit Pension: You receive a fixed monthly income in retirement. You need to calculate its present value.

                            1. Estimate Annual Pension Income
                              Determine the annual amount you'll receive. For example:

                            $30,000 per year starting at age 65.

                            1. Choose a Discount Rate
                              This reflects the time value of money—commonly 3% to 6% depending on inflation, interest rates, and risk.
                              For conservative estimates, use a lower rate (e.g., 3–4%).

                            2. Estimate Duration
                              Use life expectancy to determine how long you'll receive the pension.
                              For example: 65 to 85 = 20 years.

                            3. Calculate Present Value (PV)
                              Use the formula for the present value of an annuity:

                            Where:

                            𝑃
                            P = annual pension

                            𝑟
                            r = discount rate

                            𝑛
                            n = number of years

                            PV=P×(1−(1+r (-n) /r

                            The formula did not translate perfectly here. that is (1 +r to the negative n)

                            1 Reply Last reply
                            • N Offline
                              N Offline
                              NobodySock
                              wrote last edited by
                              #14

                              I'm worth half of a Steve Austin!

                              1 Reply Last reply
                              • N Offline
                                N Offline
                                NobodySock
                                wrote last edited by
                                #15

                                Thanks for the ChatGPT Jon. Wonderful use of AI

                                1 Reply Last reply
                                👍
                                • jon-nycJ Offline
                                  jon-nycJ Offline
                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #16

                                  You could have entered your own values and let ChatGPT do the calculation for you, eg:

                                  “I am 55 years old and have a pension of XX per month. Using standard actuarial tables and a conservative discount rate, what would you estimate the present value of my pension to be?”

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
                                  N 1 Reply Last reply
                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    You could have entered your own values and let ChatGPT do the calculation for you, eg:

                                    “I am 55 years old and have a pension of XX per month. Using standard actuarial tables and a conservative discount rate, what would you estimate the present value of my pension to be?”

                                    N Offline
                                    N Offline
                                    NobodySock
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #17

                                    @jon-nyc said in Net Worth and pensions:

                                    You could have entered your own values and let ChatGPT do the calculation for you, eg:

                                    “I am 55 years old and have a pension of XX per month. Using standard actuarial tables and a conservative discount rate, what would you estimate the present value of my pension to be?”

                                    I could tell the truth and admit to doing just that but then people here might think less of my mathamatical abilities and that bothers me.

                                    1 Reply Last reply
                                    • jon-nycJ Offline
                                      jon-nycJ Offline
                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #18

                                      Ha

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
                                      1 Reply Last reply
                                      • taiwan_girlT Offline
                                        taiwan_girlT Offline
                                        taiwan_girl
                                        wrote last edited by taiwan_girl
                                        #19

                                        @NobodySock Here are a couple that I "fool around with"

                                        https://cfiresim.com/#google_vignette

                                        https://www.firecalc.com/index.php

                                        They both seemed pretty good to me and were fun to play with. I haven't looked at them recently so dont know what (if any) updates or changes have been made.

                                        They both run many simulations based on past stock market returns. I think they call it a "Monte Carlo"

                                        N 1 Reply Last reply
                                        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                          @NobodySock Here are a couple that I "fool around with"

                                          https://cfiresim.com/#google_vignette

                                          https://www.firecalc.com/index.php

                                          They both seemed pretty good to me and were fun to play with. I haven't looked at them recently so dont know what (if any) updates or changes have been made.

                                          They both run many simulations based on past stock market returns. I think they call it a "Monte Carlo"

                                          N Offline
                                          N Offline
                                          NobodySock
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #20

                                          @taiwan_girl said in Net Worth and pensions:

                                          @NobodySock Here are a couple that I "fool around with"

                                          https://cfiresim.com/#google_vignette

                                          https://www.firecalc.com/index.php

                                          They both seemed pretty good to me and were fun to play with. I haven't looked at them recently so dont know what (if any) updates or changes have been made.

                                          They both run many simulations based on past stock market returns. I think they call it a "Monte Carlo"

                                          Thats where the variable “discount rate” comes into play. Considering market gains, losses, and good old dependable inflation. I plugged in 4 percent and then there is the crap shoot of picking the number of years one has left to live. With monthly pensions and SS, that magical number makes all the difference in placing value to the as yet untold true pot of gold

                                          1 Reply Last reply
                                          Reply
                                          • Reply as topic
                                          Log in to reply
                                          • Oldest to Newest
                                          • Newest to Oldest
                                          • Most Votes


                                          • Login

                                          • Don't have an account? Register

                                          • Login or register to search.
                                          • First post
                                            Last post
                                          0
                                          • Categories
                                          • Recent
                                          • Tags
                                          • Popular
                                          • Users
                                          • Groups