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The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Me Their War Plans

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  • HoraceH Horace

    There’s a hearing today. The talking points are mainly two. That the information shared on Signal was not classified, and that Signal is a normally used and approved messaging system. The opposition senators are salivating at an investigation.

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    @Horace said in The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Me Their War Plans:

    There’s a hearing today. The talking points are mainly two. That the information shared on Signal was not classified, and that Signal is a normally used and approved messaging system. The opposition senators are salivating at an investigation.

    That seems false. Surely the launch times and targets were classified. When the spokesperson talked about it today she was careful to say ‘no classified materials’ instead of ‘information’. As they didn’t force documents with classified stamps on them down the signal wire.

    There’s a way to test this. Have Goldberg offer to publish everything.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      It’s a tortured framing to be sure.

      Education is extremely important.

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        Only non-witches get due process.

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          In the hearing you can see they have a general approach to say "nothing was classified" but Warner said just to release the text then. Either it's classified or it's not.

          I am guessing since technically what Hegseth sent out in terms of attack details probably didn't have a "TOP SECRET" classified banner/block on it, then they're arguing it wasn't teeeeeeeeechnically classified. It's a big stretch and certainly one that would get a normal worker bee fired if they had sent war plan attack specifics via Signal or other encrypted chat apps.

          Signal is used by government officials, even in the intel world, but it's not approved for handling classified information.

          The highlights from the hearing are fun.

          Link to video

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            @Horace said in The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Me Their War Plans:

            There’s a hearing today. The talking points are mainly two. That the information shared on Signal was not classified, and that Signal is a normally used and approved messaging system. The opposition senators are salivating at an investigation.

            That seems false. Surely the launch times and targets were classified. When the spokesperson talked about it today she was careful to say ‘no classified materials’ instead of ‘information’. As they didn’t force documents with classified stamps on them down the signal wire.

            There’s a way to test this. Have Goldberg offer to publish everything.

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            @jon-nyc said in The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Me Their War Plans:

            There’s a way to test this. Have Goldberg offer to publish everything.

            “You can’t have it both ways”.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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              FoxNews now saying they were Top Secret. Which is really fucking obvious based on Goldberg’s description.

              (FoxNews must have decided this wasn’t going to die in one day and they had to treat it seriously.)

              Only non-witches get due process.

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                I really think Tulsi is saying it wasn't classified information because it was probably missing the classified banner. Total guess, but otherwise why would she make such a claim that likely is easily proved as a lie?

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                  By the way did the Senate really convene a hearing this quickly? Or was this already planned by some coincidence?

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    By the way did the Senate really convene a hearing this quickly? Or was this already planned by some coincidence?

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                    @jon-nyc said in The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Me Their War Plans:

                    By the way did the Senate really convene a hearing this quickly? Or was this already planned by some coincidence?

                    I guess you have me blocked, but I answered that already.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      I was replying to your post right before that, and never noticed you reposted in the interim.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                        I wonder if Goldberg chose yesterday to publish knowing the hearing was today. I doubt it. It probably took him all last week to clear everything with his lawyers and get comments.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          I was replying to your post right before that, and never noticed you reposted in the interim.

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                          @jon-nyc said in The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Me Their War Plans:

                          I was replying to your post right before that, and never noticed you reposted in the interim.

                          After watching that hearing, I don't need any more ridiculous excuses today.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            Waltz will fall on the sword but not by choice. He has been chosen., 1 down , too many to count to go.

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                              Senator Kelly schools the maga n00bs. He was a naval officer for 25 years before becoming an astronaut.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                                Waltz will fall on the sword but not by choice. He has been chosen., 1 down , too many to count to go.

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                                @NobodySock said in The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Me Their War Plans:

                                Waltz will fall on the sword but not by choice. He has been chosen., 1 down , too many to count to go.

                                Over/under on his resignation? I'd say in the next 48 hours. This is what he said about a half hour ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1jjrldl/mike_waltz_lies_about_how_hes_never_met_dont_know/

                                Sure seems nervous as he lies about "not knowing or ever talking with (goldberg)" but luckily he gains confidence as he resumes kissing Trump's ass. What a weird time, it feels like his supporters are scared as they talk about Trump in public, knowing they could be killed off with any tweet.

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                                  Senator Kelly schools the maga n00bs. He was a naval officer for 25 years before becoming an astronaut.

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                                  @jon-nyc said in The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Me Their War Plans:

                                  Senator Kelly schools the maga n00bs. He was a naval officer for 25 years before becoming an astronaut.

                                  Ratcliff's answer also provides more insight into their odd "nothing was classified in that thread" argument. Hegseth is the "original classifying authority (within DOD)" so he decides what is classified or not. Reminds me of Trump's argument when taking top secret materials to Florida... when he said "if I even thought the document is declassified, then it it so". Amateur hour!

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                                    Cool, let Goldberg publish it all then.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      Best comment ever: I wonder what Mike Walz will put in his Five Things I Accomplished This Week email?

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                                        As I am still a member of a FB Federal Employees group that has lit up like a wildfire since the Fork in the Road, you may find it quite amusing that the employees are still required to send their weekly 5 accomplishments to OPM. What is amusing is that they are now getting those emails kicked back due to HQ@OPM.GOV mailbox being full. No one is reading them anymore or if at all ever. They need to hire a better AI I guess!

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                                          Or an AI that knows how to delete.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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