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Terrorism?

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    Is burning down a car dealership in protest of the goverment's actions terrorism?

    ChatGPT:

    Yes, burning down a car dealership in protest could be considered an act of terrorism, depending on the legal definition used.

    Why It Could Be Considered Terrorism:
    1. Use of Violence or Destruction – Deliberately setting fire to property is an act of violence and destruction.
    2. Political Motivation – If the intent is to influence government policy or intimidate officials, it aligns with definitions of terrorism.
    3. Risk to Public Safety – Arson is dangerous, potentially harming innocent people, firefighters, or spreading beyond the intended target.

    Legal Perspective:
    • In the U.S., the FBI defines domestic terrorism as acts that endanger human life and are intended to coerce or intimidate for political or social purposes.
    • In other countries, the definition varies, but violent acts against property for political reasons often fall under terrorism or criminal arson.

    When It Might Not Be Labeled as Terrorism:
    • If it is considered vandalism, arson, or civil disobedience without an intent to intimidate or coerce.
    • If authorities classify it as criminal mischief rather than an act of political violence.

    Would you like more information on specific legal definitions of terrorism?**

    Yes, Give me the legal cites for that.

    Chat GPT:

    Here are some legal citations related to terrorism and arson in the U.S.:

    1. Federal Definition of Terrorism
      • 18 U.S.C. § 2331 – Defines domestic terrorism as acts that:
      • Involve dangerous acts to human life that violate criminal laws.
      • Are intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or influence government policy.
      • Occur primarily within U.S. jurisdiction.
      • Full text here.
      • 18 U.S.C. § 2332b – Defines federal offenses relating to terrorism, including property destruction intended to coerce or retaliate against government actions.
      • Full text here.

    2. Federal Arson Statute
      • 18 U.S.C. § 844(i) – Federal arson law criminalizes the destruction of property affecting interstate or foreign commerce (such as a car dealership).
      • Punishment includes up to 20 years in prison (or life if injury/death occurs).
      • Full text here.

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      Is burning a flag terrorism? If it’s not your flag?

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      @jon-nyc said in Terrorism?:

      Is burning a flag terrorism? If it’s not your flag?

      1. No… 2) There’s a case…

      Personally? I think discretion is due here. If they are wearing a mask or if they are a part of a known group that uses violence and terror to spread their political ideology such as the Democrat Party Antifa, then it’s terrorism. If it’s some idiot that’s getting their crank wound, then it’s not.

      However, the attempts to paint the idiots on January 6th as insurrectionist revolutionaries makes me give just a little less of a damn.

      The Brad

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        jon-nyc
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        #12

        Surely the J6 magats were terrorists if these guys are.

        Only non-witches get due process.

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Surely the J6 magats were terrorists if these guys are.

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          @jon-nyc said in Terrorism?:

          Surely the J6 magats were terrorists if these guys are.

          Tourists, Jon, they were tourists.

          I was only joking

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            Surely the J6 magats were terrorists if these guys are.

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            @jon-nyc said in Terrorism?:

            Surely the J6 magats were terrorists if these guys are.

            And some were prosecuted as such. The Proud Boy leader, for one.

            https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/proud-boys-leaders-sentenced-prison-roles-jan-6-capitol-breach

            The Brad

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              Mik
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              Yes. if they could have charged them that way they did.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                @jon-nyc said in Terrorism?:

                Surely the J6 magats were terrorists if these guys are.

                Tourists, Jon, they were tourists.

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                @Doctor-Phibes said in Terrorism?:

                @jon-nyc said in Terrorism?:

                Surely the J6 magats were terrorists if these guys are.

                Tourists, Jon, they were tourists.

                You have such a heavy accent!

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                  Trump weighs in:

                  Link to video

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                    89th
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                    Haha I love the Jan 6 tangent “nobody was killed, except one woman, but nobody was killed” … sorry what does that even mean?

                    Btw no one was killed in the Tesla arsons either. Silly rabbit.

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                      Jolly
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                      Peddle it lad.

                      Ain't nobody buying it. But do sell harder.

                      People have had enough of the astroturfed horsehit protests. Especially since it's so hypocritical.

                      And that the idiots driving this silliness are starting to threaten people who drive a Tesla. That's going over like a turd in a punchbowl.

                      But do stand on your street corner soapbox and preach your sermon...Just don't be surprised that 80% of the people don't agree with you

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        What am I selling? I was commenting on Trump's silly rambling "no one was killed... I mean except for the people who died lolz... but besides them it was very peaceful, some say the most beautiful day they've ever seen in DC..." (paraphrased, of course)

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                          89th
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                          Oh man there is a funny comedy scene that this reminds me of but I can't put my finger on it. It's driving me crazy. Feels monty python-ish.

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                            What am I selling? I was commenting on Trump's silly rambling "no one was killed... I mean except for the people who died lolz... but besides them it was very peaceful, some say the most beautiful day they've ever seen in DC..." (paraphrased, of course)

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                            @89th said in Terrorism?:

                            What am I selling?

                            You are selling the idea that you don't know what the president is talking about when he said nobody was killed except Ashli Babbitt

                            I don't think Jolly is buying.

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                              Horace
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                              What about all the Capitol police officers who murdered themselves in the following days, due to their emotional devastation?

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                Peddle it lad.

                                Ain't nobody buying it. But do sell harder.

                                People have had enough of the astroturfed horsehit protests. Especially since it's so hypocritical.

                                And that the idiots driving this silliness are starting to threaten people who drive a Tesla. That's going over like a turd in a punchbowl.

                                But do stand on your street corner soapbox and preach your sermon...Just don't be surprised that 80% of the people don't agree with you

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                                @Jolly said in Terrorism?:

                                Ain't nobody buying it.

                                By 'nobody', presumably you're referring to Copper and yourself.

                                I suspect most of us have just given up arguing.

                                I was only joking

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                                • HoraceH Horace

                                  What about all the Capitol police officers who murdered themselves in the following days, due to their emotional devastation?

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                                  @Horace said in Terrorism?:

                                  What about all the Capitol police officers who murdered themselves in the following days, due to their emotional devastation?

                                  Exactly, yes.

                                  The president is trying to convince us that he didn't kill anyone.

                                  But he is not fooling our TDS tncr heroes.

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                                    @Jolly said in Terrorism?:

                                    Ain't nobody buying it.

                                    By 'nobody', presumably you're referring to Copper and yourself.

                                    I suspect most of us have just given up arguing.

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                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Terrorism?:

                                    @Jolly said in Terrorism?:

                                    Ain't nobody buying it.

                                    By 'nobody', presumably you're referring to Copper and yourself.

                                    I suspect most of us have just given up arguing.

                                    As evidenced by the last election, I think many in the country changed their initial perceptions about J6. Once one waded through the MSM bullshit and considered the facts, along with juxtaposing treatment of people participating in J6 vs. the BLM or Antifa riots, a clearer picture emerged.

                                    It was bad, it was a riot in many respects and not in others, and it was politically prosecuted.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      @89th said in Terrorism?:

                                      What am I selling?

                                      You are selling the idea that you don't know what the president is talking about when he said nobody was killed except Ashli Babbitt

                                      I don't think Jolly is buying.

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                                      @Copper said in Terrorism?:

                                      @89th said in Terrorism?:

                                      What am I selling?

                                      You are selling the idea that you don't know what the president is talking about when he said nobody was killed except Ashli Babbitt

                                      I don't think Jolly is buying.

                                      Yeah you can’t say no one died and then reference a person who died. It makes no sense.

                                      And yes I don’t reference the folks who indirectly died because of Jan 6, without the event it’s likely they’d still be alive, including the lady who died while getting trampled despite her “don’t tread on me” shirt. (Kidding)

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Terrorism?:

                                        @Jolly said in Terrorism?:

                                        Ain't nobody buying it.

                                        By 'nobody', presumably you're referring to Copper and yourself.

                                        I suspect most of us have just given up arguing.

                                        As evidenced by the last election, I think many in the country changed their initial perceptions about J6. Once one waded through the MSM bullshit and considered the facts, along with juxtaposing treatment of people participating in J6 vs. the BLM or Antifa riots, a clearer picture emerged.

                                        It was bad, it was a riot in many respects and not in others, and it was politically prosecuted.

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                                        @Jolly said in Terrorism?:

                                        As evidenced by the last election, I think many in the country changed their initial perceptions about J6.

                                        I may be wrong (and that has happened quite a few times! LOL), but I believe that the Jan 6, 2021 perception had very little to do with the election results. I am guess that the people who it was important to were already going to vote for President Trump.

                                        For the people in the middle who decided the election, there was inflation, lack of quality Democrat candidate, outlier social issues embrace, etc. Jan 6 would be way down the list IMO.

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                                        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                          @Jolly said in Terrorism?:

                                          As evidenced by the last election, I think many in the country changed their initial perceptions about J6.

                                          I may be wrong (and that has happened quite a few times! LOL), but I believe that the Jan 6, 2021 perception had very little to do with the election results. I am guess that the people who it was important to were already going to vote for President Trump.

                                          For the people in the middle who decided the election, there was inflation, lack of quality Democrat candidate, outlier social issues embrace, etc. Jan 6 would be way down the list IMO.

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                                          Jolly
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                                          @taiwan_girl said in Terrorism?:

                                          @Jolly said in Terrorism?:

                                          As evidenced by the last election, I think many in the country changed their initial perceptions about J6.

                                          I may be wrong (and that has happened quite a few times! LOL), but I believe that the Jan 6, 2021 perception had very little to do with the election results. I am guess that the people who it was important to were already going to vote for President Trump.

                                          For the people in the middle who decided the election, there was inflation, lack of quality Democrat candidate, outlier social issues embrace, etc. Jan 6 would be way down the list IMO.

                                          Most elections are not single issue elections.

                                          You like numbers. Chew on these...

                                          https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2025/0106/january-6-capitol-riot-trump-poll-pardon

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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