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A Mess Of His Own Making

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    Jolly
    wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 13:06 last edited by
    #4

    Yep, nothing says battle ready like a drag queen in a foxhole..

    https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-military/2025/03/19/judge-blocks-trump-order-banning-trans-troops-from-military-service/

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • J Jolly
      20 Mar 2025, 13:00

      Ah, memory lane... As of now, Trump should hit an interesting mark this summer. He will have more nationwide injunctions imposed by lower courts, than all other Presidents combined.

      Are you sure you want to go down the comparative pathway with lawfare?

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 13:14 last edited by
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      @Jolly said in A Mess Of His Own Making:

      Ah, memory lane... As of now, Trump should hit an interesting mark this summer. He will have more nationwide injunctions imposed by lower courts, than all other Presidents combined.

      Are you sure you want to go down the comparative pathway with lawfare?

      This isn’t lawfare. This is what the court system is for. Beyond that, the administration knows it’s testing legal ground, indeed it’s part of their strategy. Of course the more a president tests existing legal boundaries the more he’ll be challenged in court. This isn’t hard.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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        Jolly
        wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 13:21 last edited by
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        I agree the Trump Administration is agressive. But the system is broken.

        A. Roberts missed his chance to make the district judges engage in appropriate jurisprudence. It is time to restore their rightful place in the judiciary ladder vs. other branches of government.
        B. Again, the answer is to create a process where legalities are reviewed by a three judge panel at the appellate level and fast-tracked to SCOTUS as warranted.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • J jon-nyc
          20 Mar 2025, 12:52

          This really seems tedious for those of us whose memory goes all the way back to 2021-2024 and remember maga taking every case they could to a particular Texas federal judge seeking nationwide injunctions.

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          89th
          wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 13:34 last edited by
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          @jon-nyc said in A Mess Of His Own Making:

          This really seems tedious for those of us whose memory goes all the way back to 2021-2024 and remember maga taking every case they could to a particular Texas federal judge seeking nationwide injunctions.

          When the judicial system remains the same but your Presidential preference changes:

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          • J Jolly
            20 Mar 2025, 13:21

            I agree the Trump Administration is agressive. But the system is broken.

            A. Roberts missed his chance to make the district judges engage in appropriate jurisprudence. It is time to restore their rightful place in the judiciary ladder vs. other branches of government.
            B. Again, the answer is to create a process where legalities are reviewed by a three judge panel at the appellate level and fast-tracked to SCOTUS as warranted.

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            89th
            wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 13:36 last edited by
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            @Jolly said in A Mess Of His Own Making:

            I agree the Trump Administration is agressive. But the system is broken.

            A. Roberts missed his chance to make the district judges engage in appropriate jurisprudence. It is time to restore their rightful place in the judiciary ladder vs. other branches of government.
            B. Again, the answer is to create a process where legalities are reviewed by a three judge panel at the appellate level and fast-tracked to SCOTUS as warranted.

            In general, those are good ideas. I wouldn't say the system is broken at all, but there's always room for some improvement. The system is broken if the executive branch doesn't adhere to the judicial branch's role to check/balance the other two branches.

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              Jolly
              wrote on 21 Mar 2025, 00:37 last edited by
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              The system is broken if the judiciary is the preeminent branch of government.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                xenon
                wrote on 21 Mar 2025, 00:51 last edited by
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                Did something novel happen in this case? Or is this how it’s always worked?

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                  21 Mar 2025, 00:51

                  Did something novel happen in this case? Or is this how it’s always worked?

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 21 Mar 2025, 01:34 last edited by
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                  @xenon said in A Mess Of His Own Making:

                  Did something novel happen in this case? Or is this how it’s always worked?

                  As of now, Trump should hit an interesting mark this summer. He will have more nationwide injunctions imposed by lower courts, than all other Presidents combined.

                  That's pretty novel.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on 21 Mar 2025, 01:50 last edited by
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                    Great, and we’ll see what happens as they make their way up the chain. That’s not a broken system, that’s the way it’s supposed to work. And while I don’t give a damn what happens to these gangster thugs, I do give a damn about accidental deportations and sending somebody to these El Salvador prisons. That’s a big fucking deal, and it’s worth delaying and allowing SOME jurisprudence at her than accidentally and wrongly sending somebody to one of those hellhole prisons…

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                      LuFins Dad
                      wrote on 21 Mar 2025, 01:51 last edited by
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                      And it’s absolutely correct and proper for Roberts to defend and represent the Judicial Branch above and beyond partisan politics.

                      The Brad

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 21 Mar 2025, 02:24 last edited by
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                        Interesting 🤔

                        https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5205259-hawley-curbing-judicial-authority/

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 21 Mar 2025, 11:59 last edited by
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                          https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2025/03/21/john_roberts_is_responsible_for_the_high_courts_self-delegitimization_152535.html

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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