Good night and good riddance.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 19:39 last edited by
I think it would have died a quieter death without this hubbub. I'm sure the movie is garbage, after all. But there might be a backlash against the backlash, people buying tickets to support it. Pass the popcorn in any case, I've never been more curious about a movie's box office numbers.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 19:58 last edited by jon-nyc
What I don't get is why they perform unholy surgeries on classics to make them what they want. Why don't they just develop their own new story?
I guess destroying the heritage is part of the goal.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 20:45 last edited by 89th
From a studio executive perspective, it starts as a low risk idea “let’s reboot this movie!” only for the artsy fartsy folks to mold it into their modernist view, which defeats the whole point of it being a classic (conservative) story arc. Any “anti tolerance” resistance is too afraid to speak up. But I’d imagine the accountants are starting to sit at the screenwriter’s table now.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 20:51 last edited by
You know, sometimes I miss the old studio system. It had its faults and they made some stinkers, but I can't remember a film where they set out to insult the paying customers.
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You know, sometimes I miss the old studio system. It had its faults and they made some stinkers, but I can't remember a film where they set out to insult the paying customers.
wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 12:25 last edited by Doctor Phibes@Jolly said in Good night and good riddance.:
You know, sometimes I miss the old studio system. It had its faults and they made some stinkers, but I can't remember a film where they set out to insult the paying customers.
You might not feel that way if you were Asian, for example. I just listened to a podcast about portrayals over the years, and he wasn't particularly complimentary about this little gem....
Link to videoYeah, yeah, all in good fun, where's their sense of humour? etc. etc. But this is pretty horrible.
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wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 12:43 last edited by
Movies peaked in the late 90s, IMO.
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What I don't get is why they perform unholy surgeries on classics to make them what they want. Why don't they just develop their own new story?
I guess destroying the heritage is part of the goal.
wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 12:48 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Good night and good riddance.:
What I don't get is why they perform unholy surgeries on classics to make them what they want. Why don't they just develop their own new story?
I guess destroying the heritage is part of the goal.
Yet it still has dwarfs.
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wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 12:50 last edited by
@89th said in Good night and good riddance.:
Movies peaked in the late 90s, IMO.
Coincidentally, just when you were young and getting into them?
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@Jolly said in Good night and good riddance.:
You know, sometimes I miss the old studio system. It had its faults and they made some stinkers, but I can't remember a film where they set out to insult the paying customers.
You might not feel that way if you were Asian, for example. I just listened to a podcast about portrayals over the years, and he wasn't particularly complimentary about this little gem....
Link to videoYeah, yeah, all in good fun, where's their sense of humour? etc. etc. But this is pretty horrible.
wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 12:55 last edited by Jolly@Doctor-Phibes said in Good night and good riddance.:
@Jolly said in Good night and good riddance.:
You know, sometimes I miss the old studio system. It had its faults and they made some stinkers, but I can't remember a film where they set out to insult the paying customers.
You might not feel that way if you were Asian, for example. I just listened to a podcast about portrayals over the years, and he wasn't particularly complimentary about this little gem....
Link to videoYeah, yeah, all in good fun, where's their sense of humour? etc. etc. But this is pretty horrible.
It might be a stinker (I actually think the movie is pretty good) but I don't think Hollywood set out to antagonize their core audience.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Good night and good riddance.:
@Jolly said in Good night and good riddance.:
You know, sometimes I miss the old studio system. It had its faults and they made some stinkers, but I can't remember a film where they set out to insult the paying customers.
You might not feel that way if you were Asian, for example. I just listened to a podcast about portrayals over the years, and he wasn't particularly complimentary about this little gem....
Link to videoYeah, yeah, all in good fun, where's their sense of humour? etc. etc. But this is pretty horrible.
It might be a stinker (I actually think the movie is pretty good) but I don't think Hollywood set out to antagonize their core audience.
wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 13:05 last edited by Doctor Phibes@Jolly said in Good night and good riddance.:
It might be a stinker (I actually think the movie is pretty good) but I don't think Hollywood set out to antagonize their core audience.
It is a great movie, with the exception of Mickey Rooney's character. However, this kind of thing does somewhat undermine the idea of a golden age of movies.
No, they weren't trying to antagonize their target audience. They didn't even consider the fact that just maybe non-white folk might be going to watch this, and would have ample reason to be offended by it.
Some people might try and dismiss what I'm saying as 'woke nonsense', however I don't see how this was acceptable, even back then.
If you look at TV and cinema in that era, how many genuinely positive non-white role models were there? What does that tell us about the so-called golden age of America/movies etc.?
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@Jolly said in Good night and good riddance.:
It might be a stinker (I actually think the movie is pretty good) but I don't think Hollywood set out to antagonize their core audience.
It is a great movie, with the exception of Mickey Rooney's character. However, this kind of thing does somewhat undermine the idea of a golden age of movies.
No, they weren't trying to antagonize their target audience. They didn't even consider the fact that just maybe non-white folk might be going to watch this, and would have ample reason to be offended by it.
Some people might try and dismiss what I'm saying as 'woke nonsense', however I don't see how this was acceptable, even back then.
If you look at TV and cinema in that era, how many genuinely positive non-white role models were there? What does that tell us about the so-called golden age of America/movies etc.?
wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 13:13 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Good night and good riddance.:
@Jolly said in Good night and good riddance.:
It might be a stinker (I actually think the movie is pretty good) but I don't think Hollywood set out to antagonize their core audience.
It is a great movie, with the exception of Mickey Rooney's character. However, this kind of thing does somewhat undermine the idea of a golden age of movies.
No, they weren't trying to antagonize their target audience. They didn't even consider the fact that just maybe non-white folk might be going to watch this, and would have ample reason to be offended by it.
Some people might try and dismiss what I'm saying as 'woke nonsense', however I don't see how this was acceptable, even back then.
If you look at TV and cinema in that era, how many genuinely positive non-white role models were there? What does that tell us about the so-called golden age of America/movies etc.?
You know, we'd just spent a recent (at that time) amount of blood and treasure to kill about three million Japs. Rooney playing a comedic role as a Japanese man probably didn't put people protesting in the streets at that time.
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What I don't get is why they perform unholy surgeries on classics to make them what they want. Why don't they just develop their own new story?
I guess destroying the heritage is part of the goal.
wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 13:28 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Good night and good riddance.:
What I don't get is why they perform unholy surgeries on classics to make them what they want. Why don't they just develop their own new story?
Same reason artists play/sing covers rather than original works -- to leverage the results of previously sunk marketing and sales efforts, usually done/paid-for by others.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Good night and good riddance.:
@Jolly said in Good night and good riddance.:
It might be a stinker (I actually think the movie is pretty good) but I don't think Hollywood set out to antagonize their core audience.
It is a great movie, with the exception of Mickey Rooney's character. However, this kind of thing does somewhat undermine the idea of a golden age of movies.
No, they weren't trying to antagonize their target audience. They didn't even consider the fact that just maybe non-white folk might be going to watch this, and would have ample reason to be offended by it.
Some people might try and dismiss what I'm saying as 'woke nonsense', however I don't see how this was acceptable, even back then.
If you look at TV and cinema in that era, how many genuinely positive non-white role models were there? What does that tell us about the so-called golden age of America/movies etc.?
You know, we'd just spent a recent (at that time) amount of blood and treasure to kill about three million Japs. Rooney playing a comedic role as a Japanese man probably didn't put people protesting in the streets at that time.
wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 13:32 last edited by Doctor Phibes@Jolly said in Good night and good riddance.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Good night and good riddance.:
@Jolly said in Good night and good riddance.:
It might be a stinker (I actually think the movie is pretty good) but I don't think Hollywood set out to antagonize their core audience.
It is a great movie, with the exception of Mickey Rooney's character. However, this kind of thing does somewhat undermine the idea of a golden age of movies.
No, they weren't trying to antagonize their target audience. They didn't even consider the fact that just maybe non-white folk might be going to watch this, and would have ample reason to be offended by it.
Some people might try and dismiss what I'm saying as 'woke nonsense', however I don't see how this was acceptable, even back then.
If you look at TV and cinema in that era, how many genuinely positive non-white role models were there? What does that tell us about the so-called golden age of America/movies etc.?
You know, we'd just spent a recent (at that time) amount of blood and treasure to kill about three million Japs. Rooney playing a comedic role as a Japanese man probably didn't put people protesting in the streets at that time.
You're missing the point. And I doubt that Americans of Japanese origin would be out protesting, particularly if you consider how they were treated by their own government just 19 years earlier.
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@89th said in Good night and good riddance.:
Movies peaked in the late 90s, IMO.
Coincidentally, just when you were young and getting into them?
wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 13:39 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Good night and good riddance.:
@89th said in Good night and good riddance.:
Movies peaked in the late 90s, IMO.
Coincidentally, just when you were young and getting into them?
I had that thought as I wrote this out. Yes, likely biased. I was working in the movies at the time, and was really getting into it. I think there is a bit of an argument for it though... or at least some points to consider, primarily that it was the quality of the stories, scores, and originality before we got into CGI reliance, reboots, comic book adaptations, and woke story arcs.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Good night and good riddance.:
@89th said in Good night and good riddance.:
Movies peaked in the late 90s, IMO.
Coincidentally, just when you were young and getting into them?
I had that thought as I wrote this out. Yes, likely biased. I was working in the movies at the time, and was really getting into it. I think there is a bit of an argument for it though... or at least some points to consider, primarily that it was the quality of the stories, scores, and originality before we got into CGI reliance, reboots, comic book adaptations, and woke story arcs.
wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 13:53 last edited by Doctor Phibes@89th said in Good night and good riddance.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Good night and good riddance.:
@89th said in Good night and good riddance.:
Movies peaked in the late 90s, IMO.
Coincidentally, just when you were young and getting into them?
I had that thought as I wrote this out. Yes, likely biased. I was working in the movies at the time, and was really getting into it. I think there is a bit of an argument for it though... or at least some points to consider, primarily that it was the quality of the stories, scores, and originality before we got into CGI reliance, reboots, comic book adaptations, and woke story arcs.
I think we all have that bias. I've watched a few movies from the 80's and thought how great they were, particularly the comedies. When I see movies from the so-called golden age, the acting frequently seems really wooden, and so many American characters have that weird pseudo-British way of speaking in many of them that seemed so popular, presumably because a lot of them came from more theatrical backgrounds.
I was only joking
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wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 14:13 last edited by
70s movies were pretty good too. I'm biased by the Godfather, I suppose.
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wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 14:31 last edited by Doctor Phibes
We tend to remember the great movies, but not all the shite.
I think it's the same with all of the entertainment media. Admittedly, you'd be hard-pushed to find an actual equivalent to Beethoven today.
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wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 14:32 last edited by
True.
@Doctor-Phibes I'd have to say the comedies in the 80s were much better than anything since. Some classic movies, too of course.
@Horace Godfather is my #1 movie, too. The late 70s and early 80s did see the start of some big blockbuster ideas that have been an emulation goal ever since.
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wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 14:34 last edited by
Speaking of Blockbuster ideas, I remember standing in video rental stores for like an hour in the 90's, completely unable to find a movie I actually wanted to watch. So it can't have been that great.
