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  • RenaudaR Renauda

    There is really nothing to defend here. The smart idiot or the system. Arguably both fucked up in their own way. The only common denominator is - unintended consequences.

    So no, Jolly, there was no deep state conspiracy. Just a lot of stupidity and benign negligence stemming from unknown unknowns.

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    Jolly
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    @Renauda said in Questions:

    There is really nothing to defend here. The smart idiot or the system. Arguably both fucked up in their own way. The only common denominator is - unintended consequences.

    So no, Jolly, there was no deep state conspiracy. Just a lot of stupidity and benign negligence stemming from unknown unknowns.

    You don't know that and neither do I. As has been pointed out in this thread, classified stuff is leaked to the news media all of the time. And it wouldn't be the first time a Federal agency leaked something for cause.

    So, the question becomes how much of this classified information would this low-level airman have access to, in the normal course of things? Did he have access to more than he should and why? Did he post everything on-line, he was purported to have posted or did he have a little help? Either way, what
    American policies are affected by this leak? And who benefits by the change in these policies?

    Oh, I have lots of questions before I'm thoroughly convinced there is no there, there.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      @Renauda said in Questions:

      There is really nothing to defend here. The smart idiot or the system. Arguably both fucked up in their own way. The only common denominator is - unintended consequences.

      So no, Jolly, there was no deep state conspiracy. Just a lot of stupidity and benign negligence stemming from unknown unknowns.

      You don't know that and neither do I. As has been pointed out in this thread, classified stuff is leaked to the news media all of the time. And it wouldn't be the first time a Federal agency leaked something for cause.

      So, the question becomes how much of this classified information would this low-level airman have access to, in the normal course of things? Did he have access to more than he should and why? Did he post everything on-line, he was purported to have posted or did he have a little help? Either way, what
      American policies are affected by this leak? And who benefits by the change in these policies?

      Oh, I have lots of questions before I'm thoroughly convinced there is no there, there.

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      Renauda
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      @Jolly

      When I served as a Reservist officer in the 1980s classified INT was pushed in the direction of junior officers from above. Since the Gulf War it is my understanding that classified INT is made available from above and pulled by users with clearance. There are, I am told, sound reasons for that change. Do I agree with it? Don’t know because it was not the procedure that I knew and understood.

      So yeah I don’t know. But I am confident the kid is not a patsy for an imagined deep state conspiracy. So stop the bogus deflections and attempts to defend his ineptitude for the job.

      Elbows up!

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        Sorry, I'm not drinking the Kool aid. Not yet.

        I want to see what develops.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          Actually I’m pretty sure you are doing just that.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            Actually I’m pretty sure you are doing just that.

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            @jon-nyc said in Questions:

            Actually I’m pretty sure you are doing just that.

            Nope. I'm not buying the initial story. I think there's more. I may be wrong, but as of now, I have questions...

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              @jon-nyc said in Questions:

              Actually I’m pretty sure you are doing just that.

              Nope. I'm not buying the initial story. I think there's more. I may be wrong, but as of now, I have questions...

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              Renauda
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              @Jolly

              Yep, questions aside, you’re drinking it.

              Elbows up!

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                Think what you wish. At least down here, it's a free country. Mostly.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  Renauda
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                  #15

                  Then go ahead. Knock yourself out just asking questi....SQUIRREL!!!

                  Elbows up!

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                    George K
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                    @Jolly said in Questions:

                    https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2023/04/15/how-did-jack-teixeira-gain-access-to-the-documents-he-leaked-and-why-were-msm-stories-about-him-stealth-edited-n730910

                    16 years. Should've put them near a Corvette....

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      Court marshell trail of Jack Teixeira

                      Jack Teixeira, the Massachusetts Air National Guard member who caused an international uproar when he leaked highly classified documents about the war in Ukraine, used his court-martial Thursday to describe himself as a “proud patriot” who was only “exposing and correcting the lies perpetuated by the Biden administration.”

                      After pleading guilty to military charges of obstructing justice, the 23-year-old acknowledged he knew his actions were illegal but felt he needed to share the truth about how the Biden administration was misleading the American public about the war in Ukraine.

                      “If I saved even one American, Russian or Ukrainian life against this senseless money-grab war, my punishment was worth it,” he said, his politicized comments a stark contrast to the contrite apology he issued at his federal sentencing.

                      and

                      Judge Vicki Marcus agreed to the plea deal and sentenced Teixeira to a dishonorable discharge and no jail time. She rejected a prosecution request for a written reprimand and a demotion in rank for him.

                      Teixeira, of North Dighton, Massachusetts, was already sentenced last year to 15 years in prison after pleading guilty in federal court to six counts of willful retention and transmission of national defense information under the Espionage Act, following his arrest in the most consequential national security breach in years.

                      https://apnews.com/article/jack-teixeira-pentagon-leak-court-martial-eff6e9f50a8857134b91cdb68e98526f

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                        Was he talking that way before? Or is this just a cheap audition for a pardon? (which might just work)

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          The Maga crowd seems to be defending him to one degree or another.

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                          @jon-nyc said in Questions:

                          The Maga crowd seems to be defending him to one degree or another.

                          Oh, the quaint peacefulness of a time jon didn't automatically add the t to Maga.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            It’s always been situational.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                              It's always been confrontational bullshit, but it is what it is.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                After pleading guilty to military charges of obstructing justice, the 23-year-old acknowledged he knew his actions were illegal but felt he needed to share the truth about how the Biden administration was misleading the American public about the war in Ukraine.

                                “If I saved even one American, Russian or Ukrainian life against this senseless money-grab war, my punishment was worth it,” he said, his politicized comments a stark contrast to the contrite apology he issued at his federal sentencing.

                                Oh, the poor persecuted victim he is. Such a hero; a post pubescent Snowden.

                                Elbows up!

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