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Not a spine in the whole caucus

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  • 89th8 Offline
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    89th
    wrote on last edited by 89th
    #3

    That is incredibly alarming.

    People do realize if this happens then Trump will have an UNCHECKED ability to take over domestic communications, seize Americans’ bank accounts, and deploy U.S. troops to any foreign country. These are but a few powers the President has during a declared national emergency.

    The whole POINT of declaring a national emergency is so that the President can act quickly on behalf of congress during unforeseen events where congress can not act fast enough, such as shutting down communication facilities or drawing equipment from national defense stockpiles.

    EDIT: (see below), I see this is limited to the 3 EOs Trump signed to assign duties (tax/tariffs), per the tweet.

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    • CopperC Offline
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      It wasn't really snuck in if this guy knows about it.

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      • 89th8 Offline
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        89th
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        #5

        BTW I was trying to find the exact text. Can't seem to find it (House resolution 211 or House Joint resolution 25). Will reply back if I can find the damn thing.

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        • 89th8 Offline
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          #6

          Ok found it, you can click the PDF link to view the text: https://rules.house.gov/bill/119/hr-PIH-full-year-continuing-appropriations-and-extensions-act-2025

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          • 89th8 Offline
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            #7

            I should note the Feb 1, 2025 date at the end I suppose limits it to these 3 national emergencies that Trump declared that day, basically imposing duties (aka import tax) on Mexico, China, and maybe Canada I haven't checked yet. This somewhat limits his power to those listed in the national emergency details, I think.

            https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_14193

            https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_14194

            https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_14195

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            • MikM Away
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              Mik
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              #8

              Term limits would go a long way.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
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                Don't get all of your politics off of X.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • jon-nycJ Online
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                  jon-nyc
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                  #10

                  It's literally in the bill. You can't blame X.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    It's literally in the bill. You can't blame X.

                    AxtremusA Offline
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                    Axtremus
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                    #11

                    @jon-nyc said in Not a spine in the whole caucus:

                    You can't blame X.

                    Well, it’s Elon’s company after all.

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                    • X Offline
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                      xenon
                      wrote on last edited by xenon
                      #12

                      It’s working. Can’t call a vote on the tariffs:

                      https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/legislative-maneuver-house-republicans-block-vote-trump-tariffs/story?id=119758683

                      Trump’s flying solo.

                      I remember when “pen and phone” was offensive.

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                      • 89th8 Offline
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                        89th
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #13

                        Darn, would've been nice to document which representatives indeed were without a spine as their constituents and local businesses are crushed.

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                        • jon-nycJ Online
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                          jon-nyc
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                          #14

                          Maybe they can force an amendment on some other bill to get these spineless pussies on record.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                            @xenon @89th @jon-nyc

                            If the senators do not pass the spending bill, what happens to the original one from the representatives? Do that have to draft a new one? (That may or may not include the tariff language?)

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                              I think it goes back to committee for revision?

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                              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                @xenon @89th @jon-nyc

                                If the senators do not pass the spending bill, what happens to the original one from the representatives? Do that have to draft a new one? (That may or may not include the tariff language?)

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                                xenon
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                                #17

                                @taiwan_girl said in Not a spine in the whole caucus:

                                @xenon @89th @jon-nyc

                                If the senators do not pass the spending bill, what happens to the original one from the representatives? Do that have to draft a new one? (That may or may not include the tariff language?)

                                I think others understand these sort of procedural things way better than me.

                                Then again Congress is explicitly just giving up their power to the executive, so who knows.

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                                  @taiwan_girl said in Not a spine in the whole caucus:

                                  @xenon @89th @jon-nyc

                                  If the senators do not pass the spending bill, what happens to the original one from the representatives? Do that have to draft a new one? (That may or may not include the tariff language?)

                                  I think others understand these sort of procedural things way better than me.

                                  Then again Congress is explicitly just giving up their power to the executive, so who knows.

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                                  Axtremus
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                                  @xenon said in Not a spine in the whole caucus:

                                  Then again Congress is explicitly just giving up their power to the executive, so who knows.

                                  Chuck Schumer now says he will vote to keep the government funded precisely because he fears a government shutdown will cede even more power to Trump.

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                                    xenon
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                                    #19

                                    This is really wild. Republicans in 2025 stand for isolationism, autarky, unions and large deficits. Imagine floating that at the end of the Obama years.

                                    They have a consistent stance on gender though, I guess.

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                                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                      @xenon said in Not a spine in the whole caucus:

                                      Then again Congress is explicitly just giving up their power to the executive, so who knows.

                                      Chuck Schumer now says he will vote to keep the government funded precisely because he fears a government shutdown will cede even more power to Trump.

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                                      @Axtremus said in Not a spine in the whole caucus:

                                      @xenon said in Not a spine in the whole caucus:

                                      Then again Congress is explicitly just giving up their power to the executive, so who knows.

                                      Chuck Schumer now says he will vote to keep the government funded precisely because he fears a government shutdown will cede even more power to Trump.

                                      Chuck got his ass handed to him. Gillebrand could literally be heard screaming down the hallway, as the Dems were in their closed door meeting, wanting to know what the hell they were doing.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        xenon
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                                        #21

                                        Honestly don’t know who is more useless right now. Dems or GOP

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                                        • X xenon

                                          Honestly don’t know who is more useless right now. Dems or GOP

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                                          @xenon said in Not a spine in the whole caucus:

                                          Honestly don’t know who is more useless right now. Dems or GOP

                                          Useless to whom? Useful to whom?

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