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  • 89th8 Offline
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    89th
    wrote on last edited by
    #135

    Also, a bit ironic there is a "DOW Watch" visual on the screen watching markets tank as these policies are implemented.

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    • jon-nycJ Offline
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      jon-nyc
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      #136

      She should be banned from the White House press room. Didn’t they say they wouldn’t tolerate anyone spreading lies to the American people?

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      • HoraceH Offline
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        Horace
        wrote on last edited by
        #137

        The whole administration needs to provide a unified front that tariffs are actually a good idea, otherwise the negotiating tactic for better trade deals is toothless. I mean, that's the only way to look at it that makes any sense.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • 89th8 89th

          "Tariffs are a tax hike on foreign countries. Tariffs are a tax cut for the American people." Either I totally am wrong (possible) or I think the white house truly has NO idea what a tariff is and who pays it. WTFFFFFFFF

          Of course she snips at the AP at the end of it.

          Around 56:45 -

          Link to video

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          taiwan_girl
          wrote on last edited by
          #138

          @89th said in Trumpenomics:

          "Tariffs are a tax a tax hike on foreign countries. Tariffs are a tax cut for the American people."

          Press secretary has to be one of the worst jobs I would not want.

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          • 89th8 Offline
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            89th
            wrote on last edited by
            #139

            I'm not being sarcastic, but has anyone asked the President who pays the tariff? Does he realize it's the consumer (via the importing company)? Like, is there a video where he clearly explains the purpose of all these unforced political errors?

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            • 89th8 89th

              "Tariffs are a tax hike on foreign countries. Tariffs are a tax cut for the American people." Either I totally am wrong (possible) or I think the white house truly has NO idea what a tariff is and who pays it. WTFFFFFFFF

              Of course she snips at the AP at the end of it.

              Around 56:45 -

              Link to video

              jon-nycJ Offline
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              jon-nyc
              wrote on last edited by
              #140

              @89th said in Trumpenomics:

              "Tariffs are a tax hike on foreign countries. Tariffs are a tax cut for the American people." Either I totally am wrong (possible) or I think the white house truly has NO idea what a tariff is and who pays it. WTFFFFFFFF

              Of course she snips at the AP at the end of it.

              a good summary.

              For those who do not follow economics, here's basically what happened:

              Leavitt: 2+2=Purple.
              AP Reporter: I have a calculator and 2+2=4.
              Leavitt: How DARE you insult my math skills!
              Conservative Media: White House DESTROYS disrespectful and un-American AP reporter.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                @89th said in Trumpenomics:

                "Tariffs are a tax hike on foreign countries. Tariffs are a tax cut for the American people." Either I totally am wrong (possible) or I think the white house truly has NO idea what a tariff is and who pays it. WTFFFFFFFF

                Of course she snips at the AP at the end of it.

                a good summary.

                For those who do not follow economics, here's basically what happened:

                Leavitt: 2+2=Purple.
                AP Reporter: I have a calculator and 2+2=4.
                Leavitt: How DARE you insult my math skills!
                Conservative Media: White House DESTROYS disrespectful and un-American AP reporter.

                taiwan_girlT Offline
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                taiwan_girl
                wrote on last edited by
                #141

                @jon-nyc LOL

                But true.

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                • LuFins DadL Offline
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                  LuFins Dad
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #142

                  Shapiro has been going off on Trump’s tariff policy and the general populist MAGA underpinnings.

                  The Brad

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                    xenon
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                    #143

                    I’ve been listening to him too lately. He’s such a case study in audience capture. He knows better than all this.

                    He was a big Trump booster during the election this time - his position was that Trump wouldn’t do a lot of the things he’s now doing.

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                      #144

                      Re audience capture, I remember a number of years ago hearing him with Sam Harris and thinking he was an intelligent guy who I didn’t always agree with but he made sense. Then I listened to him on his own podcast. For about five minutes. Oy.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • HoraceH Offline
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                        Horace
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                        #145

                        I read LD's post as Shapiro being unhappy with the tariffs. What is Shapiro saying?

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • 89th8 Offline
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                          89th
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #146

                          I think basically that the Trump's tariff chaos and the "withdrawal from global commerce" (not really, but the general feeling) is not going to result in a good outcome for America or the world. It's a lose-lose strategy. I only listened to it a little, so @LuFins-Dad correct me please.

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                          • HoraceH Offline
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                            Horace
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #147

                            Not sure where Xenon's post is coming from, then.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              xenon
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #148

                              He’s against tariffs.

                              I was talking about the longer arc of the last few years for him. Used to like his podcast during Trump term 1. Sometimes he’d agree and many times he’d disagree with the administration.

                              He slowly moved to almost lockstep predictable positions… since that’s where his audience had presumably moved to.

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                              • X xenon

                                He’s against tariffs.

                                I was talking about the longer arc of the last few years for him. Used to like his podcast during Trump term 1. Sometimes he’d agree and many times he’d disagree with the administration.

                                He slowly moved to almost lockstep predictable positions… since that’s where his audience had presumably moved to.

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                                Horace
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #149

                                @xenon said in Trumpenomics:

                                He’s against tariffs.

                                I was talking about the longer arc of the last few years for him. Used to like his podcast during Trump term 1. Sometimes he’d agree and many times he’d disagree with the administration.

                                He slowly moved to almost lockstep predictable positions… since that’s where his audience had presumably moved to.

                                How does your audience capture theory fit with this push back on the tariffs? Being for these chaos tariffs as Trump is implementing them would be an absurdist symptom of audience capture, but he's not there, so what are some absurdist symptoms of audience capture he was showing before now? Talking points that tribes hit on over and over tend not to be absurd, or even untrue, so much as non-disprovable empty rhetoric that makes the audience feel good.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  xenon
                                  wrote on last edited by xenon
                                  #150

                                  He called Jan 6 the worst day in American history since 9/11. He said he would never vote Trump because of his character, since his own morals are deeply rooted in his religion.

                                  Those are just a couple of top of mind examples. He realized that he can’t be anti-Trump and also a popular right wing commentator.

                                  He used to disagree with the vast majority of things Trump. Now he agrees with the vast majority (or at least goes out of it way to give the most charitable explanation).

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                                  • HoraceH Offline
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                                    Horace
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #151

                                    It surprises me Shapiro was ever as strident about Jan 6 or Trump as the two examples you point out.

                                    I don't listen to much DW content because it's not substantive enough, just relentless culture war dunks that might be funny, but aren't so meaningful.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      It surprises me Shapiro was ever as strident about Jan 6 or Trump as the two examples you point out.

                                      I don't listen to much DW content because it's not substantive enough, just relentless culture war dunks that might be funny, but aren't so meaningful.

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                                      LuFins Dad
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #152

                                      @Horace said in Trumpenomics:

                                      It surprises me Shapiro was ever as strident about Jan 6 or Trump as the two examples you point out.

                                      I don't listen to much DW content because it's not substantive enough, just relentless culture war dunks that might be funny, but aren't so meaningful.

                                      I think you’re too influenced by Walsh and Candace Owen’s. 85% of Shapiro’s stuff for the masses is the typical red meat, but about 15% is far more intellectual and you see a reasoning/philosophical point to some of the governance points Ben is making. Klavan is hilarious in his openings, but occasionally delves kind of deep into his background as an author and an artist. Knowles will dig pretty deep into classical western theology and philosophy to make his points.

                                      Yes, 80% is Rush redux, but the 20% makes it worthwhile.

                                      The Brad

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                                        Horace
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #153

                                        This is all fair enough from Shapiro:

                                        Link to video

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                          @Horace said in Trumpenomics:

                                          It surprises me Shapiro was ever as strident about Jan 6 or Trump as the two examples you point out.

                                          I don't listen to much DW content because it's not substantive enough, just relentless culture war dunks that might be funny, but aren't so meaningful.

                                          I think you’re too influenced by Walsh and Candace Owen’s. 85% of Shapiro’s stuff for the masses is the typical red meat, but about 15% is far more intellectual and you see a reasoning/philosophical point to some of the governance points Ben is making. Klavan is hilarious in his openings, but occasionally delves kind of deep into his background as an author and an artist. Knowles will dig pretty deep into classical western theology and philosophy to make his points.

                                          Yes, 80% is Rush redux, but the 20% makes it worthwhile.

                                          HoraceH Offline
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                                          Horace
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #154

                                          @LuFins-Dad said in Trumpenomics:

                                          I think you’re too influenced by Walsh

                                          Probably. The algo decided I like Walsh at some point and I get fed his stuff every day. Well, I do like him, but I don't need the 1000th serving of culture war dunks.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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