Trump Talk
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Begging for shovels to dig their own graves...
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@jon-nyc said in Trump Talk:
Interesting this coincided with his first SOTU.
What poll? The only recent one that I’ve seen for March is Emerson, and they have him 48-43, which is basically where he was in January with them.
@LuFins-Dad said in Trump Talk:
@jon-nyc said in Trump Talk:
Interesting this coincided with his first SOTU.
What poll?
It’s an average. It incorporates the poll you mentioned.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/?ex_cid=abcpromo
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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I had it on the TV in the event he would make some revelatory remarks about the war in Ukraine and his recent extortionist regime of unjustified economic sanctions against Canada. Since nothing revelatory or even particularly relevant was mentioned about either I tended to focus on other tasks while the person on the screen droned on and on.
Throughout it seemed nothing more than the usual theatrical campaign harangue. It was full of slogans, chest pounding and inane asides all containing little, if at all any, substance above and beyond saccharine filled melodrama. In short, tortuous
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I missed a Donald Trump speech?
Damn, I've been wondering what he was up to.
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I was just interested if there would be any big revelations about the Ukraine strategy since Trump was getting beat up in the media and by world leaders (except Putin), but it was just a regurgitation of his inauguration speech if you even watched that lol. Ending woke (good), taking over territories (greenland and panama canal), lots of lies (inflation, deaths building canal, DOGE cost savings, etc) and lots of focus on building back the american production machine (AI, oil, consumer goods). @Jolly had a good summary above.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Trump Talk:
@jon-nyc said in Trump Talk:
Interesting this coincided with his first SOTU.
What poll?
It’s an average. It incorporates the poll you mentioned.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/?ex_cid=abcpromo
@jon-nyc said in Trump Talk:
@LuFins-Dad said in Trump Talk:
@jon-nyc said in Trump Talk:
Interesting this coincided with his first SOTU.
What poll?
It’s an average. It incorporates the poll you mentioned.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/?ex_cid=abcpromo
Yeah, when a Daily Kos poll is one of the primary polls in the average, I’ll move on, thanks.
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I was just interested if there would be any big revelations about the Ukraine strategy since Trump was getting beat up in the media and by world leaders (except Putin), but it was just a regurgitation of his inauguration speech if you even watched that lol. Ending woke (good), taking over territories (greenland and panama canal), lots of lies (inflation, deaths building canal, DOGE cost savings, etc) and lots of focus on building back the american production machine (AI, oil, consumer goods). @Jolly had a good summary above.
@89th said in Trump Talk:
I was just interested if there would be any big revelations about the Ukraine strategy since Trump was getting beat up in the media and by world leaders (except Putin), but it was just a regurgitation of his inauguration speech if you even watched that lol. Ending woke (good), taking over territories (greenland and panama canal), lots of lies (inflation, deaths building canal, DOGE cost savings, etc) and lots of focus on building back the american production machine (AI, oil, consumer goods). @Jolly had a good summary above.
You missed the part where he mentioned that he had an hour long call with Zelenskyy and the mineral deal was back on?
You realize that public trust in the media is at an all time low, and is actually upside down? If the media is hammering him it actually helps him? Trump, unfortunately, is walking out of the Friday fiasco stronger than he was going in. The concerns over the tariffs are the biggest driver of negativity, and as soon as they are lifted it will probably swing back again.
The Brad
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@89th said in Trump Talk:
I was just interested if there would be any big revelations about the Ukraine strategy since Trump was getting beat up in the media and by world leaders (except Putin), but it was just a regurgitation of his inauguration speech if you even watched that lol. Ending woke (good), taking over territories (greenland and panama canal), lots of lies (inflation, deaths building canal, DOGE cost savings, etc) and lots of focus on building back the american production machine (AI, oil, consumer goods). @Jolly had a good summary above.
You missed the part where he mentioned that he had an hour long call with Zelenskyy and the mineral deal was back on?
You realize that public trust in the media is at an all time low, and is actually upside down? If the media is hammering him it actually helps him? Trump, unfortunately, is walking out of the Friday fiasco stronger than he was going in. The concerns over the tariffs are the biggest driver of negativity, and as soon as they are lifted it will probably swing back again.
@LuFins-Dad said in Trump Talk:
@89th said in Trump Talk:
I was just interested if there would be any big revelations about the Ukraine strategy since Trump was getting beat up in the media and by world leaders (except Putin), but it was just a regurgitation of his inauguration speech if you even watched that lol. Ending woke (good), taking over territories (greenland and panama canal), lots of lies (inflation, deaths building canal, DOGE cost savings, etc) and lots of focus on building back the american production machine (AI, oil, consumer goods). @Jolly had a good summary above.
You missed the part where he mentioned that he had an hour long call with Zelenskyy and the mineral deal was back on?
Yeah I missed that, was trying to listen to it while working this morning.
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@89th said in Trump Talk:
I was just interested if there would be any big revelations about the Ukraine strategy since Trump was getting beat up in the media and by world leaders (except Putin), but it was just a regurgitation of his inauguration speech if you even watched that lol. Ending woke (good), taking over territories (greenland and panama canal), lots of lies (inflation, deaths building canal, DOGE cost savings, etc) and lots of focus on building back the american production machine (AI, oil, consumer goods). @Jolly had a good summary above.
You missed the part where he mentioned that he had an hour long call with Zelenskyy and the mineral deal was back on?
You realize that public trust in the media is at an all time low, and is actually upside down? If the media is hammering him it actually helps him? Trump, unfortunately, is walking out of the Friday fiasco stronger than he was going in. The concerns over the tariffs are the biggest driver of negativity, and as soon as they are lifted it will probably swing back again.
You missed the part where he mentioned that he had an hour long call with Zelenskyy and the mineral deal was back on?
I did not hear Trump say anything about a telephone call. If he did, the call was either made prior to Friday’s Oval Office blow out or he is lying. Probably the latter. There has been no telephone call between the two presidents since Friday’s incident. Trump only stated he had received a letter from Zelenskyi yesterday saying that he was ready to sign the minerals deal so that the peace process could move forward unimpeded. I think TG posted its flattering and remorseful contents in another thread yesterday.
Zelenskyi indicated Sunday in a press conference that he would delegate one of his cabinet ministers to on behalf of Ukraine.
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I was just interested if there would be any big revelations about the Ukraine strategy since Trump was getting beat up in the media and by world leaders (except Putin), but it was just a regurgitation of his inauguration speech if you even watched that lol. Ending woke (good), taking over territories (greenland and panama canal), lots of lies (inflation, deaths building canal, DOGE cost savings, etc) and lots of focus on building back the american production machine (AI, oil, consumer goods). @Jolly had a good summary above.
@89th said in Trump Talk:
lots of lies
Trump said, “We inherited from the last administration an economic catastrophe.” This wasn’t true.
Trump said, “We’re going to have growth in the auto industry like nobody’s ever seen. Plants are opening up all over the place.” That wasn’t true.
Trump said, towns like Aurora, Colorado, and Springfield, Ohio, were “destroyed” by immigrants. That wasn’t true.
Trump said, in reference to Europe and aid to Ukraine, “[W]e’ve spent perhaps $350 billion, and they’ve spent $100 billion.” That wasn’t true.
Trump said, “For the first time in modern history, more Americans believe that our country is headed in the right direction than the wrong direction.” That wasn’t true.
Trump said, in reference to Biden-era inflation, rates were the worst “perhaps even in the history of our country, they’re not sure.” They are sure and that wasn’t true.
Trump said the Biden administration imposed an “electric vehicle mandate.” That wasn’t true.
Trump said, “I’ve stopped all government censorship.” That wasn’t true.
Trump said, “Believe it or not, government databases list 4.7 million Social Security members from people aged 100 to 109 years old. It lists 3.6 million people from ages 110 to 119.” Don’t believe it, because that wasn’t true.
Trump said the Biden administration “closed more than 100 power plants.” That wasn’t true.
Trump said, “The presidential election of Nov. 5 was a mandate like has not been seen in many decades.” That wasn’t true.
Trump said that his first term economic agenda produced “the most successful economy in the history of our country.” That wasn’t true.
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When you cite Rachel Madcow, you've lost all credibility.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@89th said in Trump Talk:
lots of lies
Trump said, “We inherited from the last administration an economic catastrophe.” This wasn’t true.
Trump said, “We’re going to have growth in the auto industry like nobody’s ever seen. Plants are opening up all over the place.” That wasn’t true.
Trump said, towns like Aurora, Colorado, and Springfield, Ohio, were “destroyed” by immigrants. That wasn’t true.
Trump said, in reference to Europe and aid to Ukraine, “[W]e’ve spent perhaps $350 billion, and they’ve spent $100 billion.” That wasn’t true.
Trump said, “For the first time in modern history, more Americans believe that our country is headed in the right direction than the wrong direction.” That wasn’t true.
Trump said, in reference to Biden-era inflation, rates were the worst “perhaps even in the history of our country, they’re not sure.” They are sure and that wasn’t true.
Trump said the Biden administration imposed an “electric vehicle mandate.” That wasn’t true.
Trump said, “I’ve stopped all government censorship.” That wasn’t true.
Trump said, “Believe it or not, government databases list 4.7 million Social Security members from people aged 100 to 109 years old. It lists 3.6 million people from ages 110 to 119.” Don’t believe it, because that wasn’t true.
Trump said the Biden administration “closed more than 100 power plants.” That wasn’t true.
Trump said, “The presidential election of Nov. 5 was a mandate like has not been seen in many decades.” That wasn’t true.
Trump said that his first term economic agenda produced “the most successful economy in the history of our country.” That wasn’t true.
@taiwan_girl said in Trump Talk:
@89th said in Trump Talk:
lots of lies
Trump said, “We inherited from the last administration an economic catastrophe.” This wasn’t true.
The possible contraction for the first quarter is not a result of everything since Jan 21st. You know that. And yes, there is an economic disaster. Interest rates are through the roof but inflation is too high. Private debt is at record levels and wage growth is stagnant. In the stock market front, the PE ratios are scarily out of whack and a correction is definitely coming. Real estate is also completely messed up, which is driving up rents. I’d say it’s looking pretty catastrophic, and the administration did inherit it from the prior administration, along with the last year of the administration before that…
Trump said, “We’re going to have growth in the auto industry like nobody’s ever seen. Plants are opening up all over the place.” That wasn’t true.
Honda just announced expansions in Indiana and there have been multiple parts fabricators that have started new shops.
Trump said, towns like Aurora, Colorado, and Springfield, Ohio, were “destroyed” by immigrants. That wasn’t true.
Ask the people Aurora, Springfield, and Charleroi their opinions…
Trump said, in reference to Europe and aid to Ukraine, “[W]e’ve spent perhaps $350 billion, and they’ve spent $100 billion.” That wasn’t true.
Yep, that was a lie.
Trump said, “For the first time in modern history, more Americans believe that our country is headed in the right direction than the wrong direction.” That wasn’t true.
That’s subjective, but the polls show a definite switch from the last administration.
Trump said, in reference to Biden-era inflation, rates were the worst “perhaps even in the history of our country, they’re not sure.” They are sure and that wasn’t true.
Yeah, that was a whopper.
Trump said the Biden administration imposed an “electric vehicle mandate.” That wasn’t true.
Yes, it was, in effect an EV mandate.
Trump said, “I’ve stopped all government censorship.” That wasn’t true.
Meet the new boss, same as the old? Though there are more people objecting from the right to Trump’s suppression than there was from the left over the past 16 years.
Trump said, “Believe it or not, government databases list 4.7 million Social Security members from people aged 100 to 109 years old. It lists 3.6 million people from ages 110 to 119.” Don’t believe it, because that wasn’t true.
It is true, but was a technical glitch.
Trump said the Biden administration “closed more than 100 power plants.” That wasn’t true.
I couldn’t say.
Trump said, “The presidential election of Nov. 5 was a mandate like has not been seen in many decades.” That wasn’t true.
Subjective.
Trump said that his first term economic agenda produced “the most successful economy in the history of our country.” That wasn’t true.
Subjective.
The Brad
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@Jolly said in Trump Talk:
When you cite Rachel Madcow, you've lost all credibility.
Maybe he should have just said 'There's a rumour that....'
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What a nice change, to have a president that can read, write and talk, and he is full of great ideas too!
We are so lucky.
@Copper said in Trump Talk:
What a nice change, to have a president that can read, write and talk
It's certainly a step in the right direction. Maybe next time you'll find one that can read, write and talk intelligibly. We remain optimistic.
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@taiwan_girl said in Trump Talk:
@89th said in Trump Talk:
lots of lies
Trump said, “We inherited from the last administration an economic catastrophe.” This wasn’t true.
The possible contraction for the first quarter is not a result of everything since Jan 21st. You know that. And yes, there is an economic disaster. Interest rates are through the roof but inflation is too high. Private debt is at record levels and wage growth is stagnant. In the stock market front, the PE ratios are scarily out of whack and a correction is definitely coming. Real estate is also completely messed up, which is driving up rents. I’d say it’s looking pretty catastrophic, and the administration did inherit it from the prior administration, along with the last year of the administration before that…
Trump said, “We’re going to have growth in the auto industry like nobody’s ever seen. Plants are opening up all over the place.” That wasn’t true.
Honda just announced expansions in Indiana and there have been multiple parts fabricators that have started new shops.
Trump said, towns like Aurora, Colorado, and Springfield, Ohio, were “destroyed” by immigrants. That wasn’t true.
Ask the people Aurora, Springfield, and Charleroi their opinions…
Trump said, in reference to Europe and aid to Ukraine, “[W]e’ve spent perhaps $350 billion, and they’ve spent $100 billion.” That wasn’t true.
Yep, that was a lie.
Trump said, “For the first time in modern history, more Americans believe that our country is headed in the right direction than the wrong direction.” That wasn’t true.
That’s subjective, but the polls show a definite switch from the last administration.
Trump said, in reference to Biden-era inflation, rates were the worst “perhaps even in the history of our country, they’re not sure.” They are sure and that wasn’t true.
Yeah, that was a whopper.
Trump said the Biden administration imposed an “electric vehicle mandate.” That wasn’t true.
Yes, it was, in effect an EV mandate.
Trump said, “I’ve stopped all government censorship.” That wasn’t true.
Meet the new boss, same as the old? Though there are more people objecting from the right to Trump’s suppression than there was from the left over the past 16 years.
Trump said, “Believe it or not, government databases list 4.7 million Social Security members from people aged 100 to 109 years old. It lists 3.6 million people from ages 110 to 119.” Don’t believe it, because that wasn’t true.
It is true, but was a technical glitch.
Trump said the Biden administration “closed more than 100 power plants.” That wasn’t true.
I couldn’t say.
Trump said, “The presidential election of Nov. 5 was a mandate like has not been seen in many decades.” That wasn’t true.
Subjective.
Trump said that his first term economic agenda produced “the most successful economy in the history of our country.” That wasn’t true.
Subjective.
@LuFins-Dad said in Trump Talk:
@taiwan_girl said in Trump Talk:
@89th said in Trump Talk:
lots of lies
Trump said, “We inherited from the last administration an economic catastrophe.” This wasn’t true.
The possible contraction for the first quarter is not a result of everything since Jan 21st. You know that. And yes, there is an economic disaster. Interest rates are through the roof but inflation is too high. Private debt is at record levels and wage growth is stagnant. In the stock market front, the PE ratios are scarily out of whack and a correction is definitely coming. Real estate is also completely messed up, which is driving up rents. I’d say it’s looking pretty catastrophic, and the administration did inherit it from the prior administration, along with the last year of the administration before that…
We have different definitions of "catastrophe".
It was a lie.
Trump said, “We’re going to have growth in the auto industry like nobody’s ever seen. Plants are opening up all over the place.” That wasn’t true.
Honda just announced expansions in Indiana and there have been multiple parts fabricators that have started new shops.
I'm going to guess the "growth" we are going to see will not beat the growth we say in the mid 2010s, early 1980s, and of course the 1950s and 1960s which absolutely boomed.
It was a lie, although it was a future prediction so we can revisit this in 4 years to see if the growth beat those other 4 areas.
Trump said, towns like Aurora, Colorado, and Springfield, Ohio, were “destroyed” by immigrants. That wasn’t true.
Ask the people Aurora, Springfield, and Charleroi their opinions…
Do the towns still exist?
Subjective lie.
Trump said, in reference to Europe and aid to Ukraine, “[W]e’ve spent perhaps $350 billion, and they’ve spent $100 billion.” That wasn’t true.
Yep, that was a lie.
Yup. I believe the US has spent 112 billion, Europe has spent 130 billion.
It was a lie.
Trump said, “For the first time in modern history, more Americans believe that our country is headed in the right direction than the wrong direction.” That wasn’t true.
That’s subjective, but the polls show a definite switch from the last administration.
"First time in modern history" is not subjective.
It was a lie.
Trump said, in reference to Biden-era inflation, rates were the worst “perhaps even in the history of our country, they’re not sure.” They are sure and that wasn’t true.
Yeah, that was a whopper.
Glad you said that, I had a text exchange with a friend earlier that pointed out many, many times where inflation was worse in the last 45 years let alone in the history of our country.
It was a lie.
Trump said the Biden administration imposed an “electric vehicle mandate.” That wasn’t true.
Yes, it was, in effect an EV mandate.
Not at all. Tax credits and support for EV charging stations. What definition of mandate do you have?
It was a lie.
Trump said, “I’ve stopped all government censorship.” That wasn’t true.
Meet the new boss, same as the old? Though there are more people objecting from the right to Trump’s suppression than there was from the left over the past 16 years.
The government still censors.
It was a lie.
Trump said, “Believe it or not, government databases list 4.7 million Social Security members from people aged 100 to 109 years old. It lists 3.6 million people from ages 110 to 119.” Don’t believe it, because that wasn’t true.
It is true, but was a technical glitch.
I don't even want to go into the inaccuracies of the DOGE claims. I covered that in another thread, but essentially it's about 99% false.
Partial lie.
Trump said the Biden administration “closed more than 100 power plants.” That wasn’t true.
I couldn’t say.
I can. 23 closed under Biden's watch. 10 also closed under Trump's watch. Most of these were due to age or infrastructure, not by order of the President.
It was a lie.
Trump said, “The presidential election of Nov. 5 was a mandate like has not been seen in many decades.” That wasn’t true.
Subjective.
Not subjective. You only have to go back 12 years. Obama's wins in 2008 and 2012 were substantially bigger (popular vote and electoral vote) than anything Trump has seen. Clinton's win in 1996 is also above Trump's. And the wins in the 80s by Reagan and Bush were drastically bigger than those, although you can frame those as "many decades".
It was a lie.
Trump said that his first term economic agenda produced “the most successful economy in the history of our country.” That wasn’t true.
Subjective.
Not subjective. Trump's economy doesn't even come close to that of FDR, JFK, LBJ, Clinton, Eisenhower, Ford, or Reagan. At least as measured by GDP. And that's only in the last 100 years. Most historians say FDR, Grant, and Clinton had the best economic results.
It was a lie.
Oh come on, we aren't even going to talk about his Panama Canal lie???
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@taiwan_girl said in Trump Talk:
@89th said in Trump Talk:
lots of lies
Trump said, “We inherited from the last administration an economic catastrophe.” This wasn’t true.
The possible contraction for the first quarter is not a result of everything since Jan 21st. You know that. And yes, there is an economic disaster. Interest rates are through the roof but inflation is too high. Private debt is at record levels and wage growth is stagnant. In the stock market front, the PE ratios are scarily out of whack and a correction is definitely coming. Real estate is also completely messed up, which is driving up rents. I’d say it’s looking pretty catastrophic, and the administration did inherit it from the prior administration, along with the last year of the administration before that…
Trump said, “We’re going to have growth in the auto industry like nobody’s ever seen. Plants are opening up all over the place.” That wasn’t true.
Honda just announced expansions in Indiana and there have been multiple parts fabricators that have started new shops.
Trump said, towns like Aurora, Colorado, and Springfield, Ohio, were “destroyed” by immigrants. That wasn’t true.
Ask the people Aurora, Springfield, and Charleroi their opinions…
Trump said, in reference to Europe and aid to Ukraine, “[W]e’ve spent perhaps $350 billion, and they’ve spent $100 billion.” That wasn’t true.
Yep, that was a lie.
Trump said, “For the first time in modern history, more Americans believe that our country is headed in the right direction than the wrong direction.” That wasn’t true.
That’s subjective, but the polls show a definite switch from the last administration.
Trump said, in reference to Biden-era inflation, rates were the worst “perhaps even in the history of our country, they’re not sure.” They are sure and that wasn’t true.
Yeah, that was a whopper.
Trump said the Biden administration imposed an “electric vehicle mandate.” That wasn’t true.
Yes, it was, in effect an EV mandate.
Trump said, “I’ve stopped all government censorship.” That wasn’t true.
Meet the new boss, same as the old? Though there are more people objecting from the right to Trump’s suppression than there was from the left over the past 16 years.
Trump said, “Believe it or not, government databases list 4.7 million Social Security members from people aged 100 to 109 years old. It lists 3.6 million people from ages 110 to 119.” Don’t believe it, because that wasn’t true.
It is true, but was a technical glitch.
Trump said the Biden administration “closed more than 100 power plants.” That wasn’t true.
I couldn’t say.
Trump said, “The presidential election of Nov. 5 was a mandate like has not been seen in many decades.” That wasn’t true.
Subjective.
Trump said that his first term economic agenda produced “the most successful economy in the history of our country.” That wasn’t true.
Subjective.
@LuFins-Dad said in Trump Talk:
The possible contraction for the first quarter is not a result of everything since Jan 21st. You know that. And yes, there is an economic disaster. Interest rates are through the roof but inflation is too high. Private debt is at record levels and wage growth is stagnant. In the stock market front, the PE ratios are scarily out of whack and a correction is definitely coming. Real estate is also completely messed up, which is driving up rents.
I have long said that the president gets too much blame and too much credit for the economy. So, yes the things happening now cannot be 100% blamed on President Trump. As you mentioned, they could partially be due to policies during the first President Trump term.
But, the Republics ran (and won) on the economy, whether it actually was President Biden's fault or not. So, just trying to keep the same baseline.
You mentioned some interesting data (federal interest rate, private debt, wage growth, etc.). I will try to add them to the Trumpenomics spreadsheet.
