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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #15

    Make up your mind.

    If it happens on Trump's watch, it's his.

    Trump is pushing jobs. Less illegals taking jobs. Legal immigrants in skills shortage areas. Education dollars in block grants, allowing states to fund vo-tech programs. Tariffs that makes manufacturing in the U.S. more attractive (Honda is moving a planned plant from Mexico to Indiana, as announced yesterday).

    And OTOH, Trump is actually going to cut jobs...Government jobs. Hopefully, that means more money in the private sector, along with less debt, since not as much money is needed by the government.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      #16

      The 100B announced the other day is on top of the 65B from a few years ago. Even that previous is only 1/3 spent (roughly, 1 of 3 planned fabs built) as it takes years and years to build chip fabs. It’s not clear China plans on waiting for us. That was my point.

      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        #17

        Gotta start somewhere.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • jon-nycJ Offline
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          jon-nyc
          wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
          #18

          You do. But the point is that the investment isn’t a reason why we don’t need to care about Taiwans fate. Maybe it’s a reason we won’t need to in 10 years.

          But today, Operation Hellscape is our friend.

          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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          • N Offline
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            NobodySock
            wrote on last edited by NobodySock
            #19

            Taiwan is definitely happening on Trump's watch. Of course he will stand by. Russia and China both have that red button to flaunt and are more willing to use it when it's one guy's choice. What are the guardrails preventing our new autocrat from doing the same? But it goes against what they live for, power. Once the missiles start flying, the only power they will have if they survive is over the cockroaches. Do you think of the thousands of missiles both China and Russia possess, that one or two are aimed at Sardinia? If not, we can survive on seafood and 4 million sheep for a long long time.

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              @jon-nyc said in Taiwan:

              Especially when we’re still utterly dependent on it for microchips.

              $100B investment. Yesterday.

              taiwan_girlT Offline
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              @Jolly said in Taiwan:

              $100B investment. Yesterday.

              https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2025/03/05/2003832893

              The government would ensure that the most advanced chipmaking technology stays in Taiwan while assisting Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co (TSMC, 台積電) in investing overseas, the Presidential Office said yesterday.

              The statement follows a joint announcement by the world’s largest contract chipmaker and US President Donald Trump on Monday that TSMC would invest an additional US$100 billion over the next four years to expand its semiconductor manufacturing operations in the US, which would include construction of three new chip fabrication plants, two advanced packaging facilities, and a research and development center.

              The government knew about the deal in advance and would assist, Presidential Office spokesperson Karen Kuo (郭雅慧) said yesterday.

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              • jon-nycJ Offline
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                jon-nyc
                wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                #21

                That is a complication. We want to liberate ourselves from dependence on Taiwan and they very much want us not to do so, in order that we have more skin in the Taiwan straight game.

                Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                • AxtremusA Offline
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                  #22

                  Would Taiwan like to be the 51st of the United States?

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                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                    Would Taiwan like to be the 51st of the United States?

                    taiwan_girlT Offline
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                    wrote on last edited by
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                    @Axtremus said in Taiwan:

                    Would Taiwan like to be the 51st of the United States?

                    No. 555

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                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                      @Axtremus said in Taiwan:

                      Would Taiwan like to be the 51st of the United States?

                      No. 555

                      RenaudaR Offline
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                      #24

                      @Axtremus asked in Taiwan:
                      Would Taiwan like to be the 51st of the United States?

                      @taiwan_girl replied in [Taiwan]

                      No. 555

                      I know the feeling. Nor do we.

                      555

                      Elbows up!

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                        #25

                        and before that

                        Taiwan detected 27 sorties of Chinese aircraft, six Chinese vessels and one Chinese balloon until 6 am (local time) on Thursday, a statement by Taiwan’s Ministry of National Defence said.

                        out of 27 sorties, 20 crossed the median line and entered Taiwan’s southwestern ADIZ.

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                          #26

                          Somewhat related...

                          https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/1jgeswz/chinas_no_2_zhang_youxia_military_uniform_is/

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                            https://www.thetimes.com/world/asia/article/how-china-seize-taiwan-president-xi-q2lzqc53q

                            Interesting article from The Times

                            After last week’s diplomatic success in Beijing, the Chinese leader may be feeling confident, but the imposition of Beijing’s authority on that offshore outpost of democracy is still fraught with uncertainty. “His big puzzle,” argues Philip Shetler-Jones of the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) think tank, “is how to get Taiwan without bringing China into war with the US, which still has some aces up its sleeve sufficient to make a conflict very dangerous.”

                            The attitude of President Trump, or indeed his successor, will therefore be critical. British ministers have concluded that Trump is not prepared to start a war in defence of Taiwan. Highlighting this perception and what he argued were America’s diplomatic blunders, the former foreign secretary William Hague wrote in The Times that Xi “intends Taiwan to drop into the lap of the People’s Liberation Army [PLA] without it having to fight”.

                            Concerns about Trump’s position have been fed by the recent postponement of a visit to Washington of the Taiwanese defence minister and the president’s upbeat comments about striking a trade deal with Xi. To add to Taipei’s concerns, leaks from the new National Security Strategy suggest Trump is about to abandon the containment of China as the primary goal of US policy, in favour of homeland defence.

                            The US administration does not speak with one voice on this, there being China hawks in its ranks too. Pete Hegseth, US defence secretary, has used tougher language than his president, warning in May of devastating regional consequences if the People’s Republic tried to force the issue, “the threat China poses is real. And it could be imminent”.

                            Trump thinks he has an understanding on Taiwan with Xi, claiming the Chinese leader told him, “I will never do it so long as you’re president”. The danger of piquing Trump’s pride is one more reason for China to avoid a spectacular D-Day-style invasion.

                            Added to the risk of US intervention is the danger of a global economic shock resulting from an interruption to Taiwan’s microprocessor exports and the possibility of a humiliating setback for the PLA. All of this makes the “invasion” option unlikely, at least during the next few years.

                            Taiwan’s distance from the mainland, small number of suitable landing beaches and highly built-up coastline would make it a highly uncertain business. It proved too big a challenge even for America’s huge mobilised armed forces, when in 1944 they abandoned plans for Operation Causeway, an assault on the then Japanese-held island, that would have required more than 700,000 personnel and taken months to carry out.

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