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    xenon
    wrote on last edited by xenon
    #2456

    When you’re a fraud, eventually you get exposed.

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      xenon
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      #2457

      Link to video

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        xenon
        wrote on last edited by xenon
        #2458

        Zelensky did to Trump what Trump does to others - call bullshit to their face.

        And JD defaulted to “please respect the Oval Office”

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        • HoraceH Online
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          Horace
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          #2459

          Zelensky has an interesting attitude. He thinks the anti-Trump crowd in America is useful leverage for him. I'm not sure he's right. The usual crowd will love this as Zelensky smiting Trump from the right side of history, but it is far from obvious to me that his attitude is helpful.

          Education is extremely important.

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            89th
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            #2460

            Well, that went well.

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              89th
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              #2461

              I guess all Trump wants is "thanks" but like, to hear it a lot. Over and over.

              Reminds me of the ending:

              Link to video

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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                #2462

                All Zelenskyi did was point out the fact that previous diplomacy attempts with Putin - ie The Minsk Accords - all failed. In every instance Putin broke the agreement and resumed his aggression. Vance pounced on him and accused Zelenskyi of litigating the war in the cherished Oval Office. The yelling match then escalated. It came off as Vance acting as agent provocateur. If I didn’t know better, I would say it was choreographed.

                It is nothing short of a disaster.

                Elbows up!

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                • HoraceH Online
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                  Horace
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                  #2463

                  I think Zelensky surprised them by not even attempting to be diplomatic or deferential. That's his choice, but he's probably not well advised to think it'll be effective with Trump. He must be hoping it'll be effective with the western media who are already on his side. I'm sure they'll love it, I'm just not sure how meaningful that is.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    Renauda
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                    #2464

                    Bullshit, Horace. Until Vance chimed in Zelenskyi was perfectly cordial and diplomatic.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • MikM Away
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                      Mik
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                      #2465

                      Wow.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • MikM Away
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                        Mik
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                        #2466

                        This should NOT have been televised. Too performative.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • MikM Mik

                          This should NOT have been televised. Too performative.

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                          Horace
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #2467

                          @Mik I think Zelensky surprised them. Surprised me, too. He's awfully cavalier about his personal relationship with this administration and American culture at large. I am surprised he is comfortable being that cavalier. But he's the guy in charge, and I hope he knows what he's doing. I'm not completely convinced that he does.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            jon-nyc
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                            #2468

                            Two soft bullies haranguing a man who has spent three years fighting to save his country.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              xenon
                              wrote on last edited by xenon
                              #2469

                              Everyone loves it when Trump acts without decorum, but we need to handle the stable genius with kid gloves.

                              We’ve internalized his childishness to the point where we get mad at other adults for not catering to it.

                              The man is a moron. The emperor has no clothes.

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                              • HoraceH Online
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                                I will await patiently for anybody to give any thought to the choices Zelensky made in that conversation, and their practical effect.

                                We can stipulate for the purposes of the conversation that Trump is the bad guy, and maybe think around that for a moment, to touch on practical effects.

                                Just kidding, the usual suspects will not be capable of that, with the exception of Renauda.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  xenon
                                  wrote on last edited by xenon
                                  #2471

                                  It kind of doesn’t matter. People have a sense of what’s right. If they feel like they’re getting bullied, they’ll often yell “fuck you” back to them even if it means they get punched in the face.

                                  Life isn’t always an accounting exercise.

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                                    Doctor Phibes
                                    wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                                    #2472

                                    Does anybody think that Trump and Vance came out of that looking good?

                                    And which rocket surgeon had the idea to televise that?

                                    'Professional' wasn't the word that sprang to mind.

                                    "How many times have you said thank you?" Fucking hell.

                                    I was only joking

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                                      AndyD
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                                      #2473

                                      Trump(CF) is a shite.
                                      And Vance the accompanying noisy fart.

                                      Four more years of this crap

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                                      • X xenon

                                        It kind of doesn’t matter. People have a sense of what’s right. If they feel like they’re getting bullied, they’ll often yell “fuck you” back to them even if it means they get punched in the face.

                                        Life isn’t always an accounting exercise.

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                                        Horace
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #2474

                                        @xenon said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        It kind of doesn’t matter. People have a sense of what’s right. If they feel like they’re getting bullied, they’ll often yell “fuck you” back to them even if it means they get punched in the face.

                                        Life isn’t always an accounting exercise.

                                        It doesn't matter, huh. Interesting perspective. The practical effects of where this leads to, matter. They matter regardless of any puffery about knowing what's right.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                          Does anybody think that Trump and Vance came out of that looking good?

                                          And which rocket surgeon had the idea to televise that?

                                          'Professional' wasn't the word that sprang to mind.

                                          "How many times have you said thank you?" Fucking hell.

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                                          Horace
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #2475

                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          Does anybody think that Trump and Vance came out of that looking good?

                                          And which rocket surgeon had the idea to televise that?

                                          No, I thought Vance was caught off balance, and seemed hesitant about what to say. Trump just got puffy and indignant.

                                          I will continue to wait patiently for anybody to think about whether zelenksy's choices in the conversation were wise.

                                          My best hope is that it will be water under the bridge.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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