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Another plane near-miss today

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  • 89th8 Offline
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    Yikes

    https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1ixzbvy/private_jet_causes_southwest_to_go_around_at/

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      Christ bring back Buttigieg already.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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        Audio from 17:10 to 17:40 you can hear the pilot fumble the readback about holding short of 31C:

        https://archive.liveatc.net/kmdw/KMDW-Gnd1-Feb-25-2025-1430Z.mp3

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          Tower radio starting at 18:00 (go around...aka abort landing), including "how did that happen?" at 18:54 (no answer).

          https://archive.liveatc.net/kmdw/KMDW-Twr1-Feb-25-2025-1430Z.mp3

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            I wonder how often this happens and we never hear about it.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              Tower radio starting at 18:00 (go around...aka abort landing), including "how did that happen?" at 18:54 (no answer).

              https://archive.liveatc.net/kmdw/KMDW-Twr1-Feb-25-2025-1430Z.mp3

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              @89th said in Another plane near-miss today:

              "how did that happen?"

              At 15:47 the tower cleared SW 2504 to land on 31C

              At 17:55 the tower told 2358 to "line up and wait" on 31C after clearing another guy to land.

              "line up and wait" means go onto the runway and wait for takeoff clearance

              At 18:07 SW 2504 going around - he saw 2358 enter the runway, 31C, where he was cleared to land

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                This channel is famous for getting these airplane “replays” out within a few hours of an incident. Here’s this one:

                Link to video

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                  Might be a good idea not to name runways 31L and 31C that are next to each other btw.

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                  • 89th8 89th

                    Might be a good idea not to name runways 31L and 31C that are next to each other btw.

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                    @89th Quite an interesting video.

                    I am guess 31 L = 31 left and 31C = 31 center.

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                    • 89th8 89th

                      Might be a good idea not to name runways 31L and 31C that are next to each other btw.

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                      @89th said in Another plane near-miss today:

                      31L and 31C

                      It is written like that but never pronounced like that. It is pronounced 31 Left or 31 Right or 31 Center.

                      And there is a few airports in Alaska with a T designation, T for True.

                      Runway numbers are based on the runway's magnetic orientation.

                      There are some runways near the North magnetic pole. Since the North magnetic pole is on the move all the time it can be confusing to use magnetic orientation. And it can be difficult keeping charts up to date.

                      So for these few airports they use True orientation rather than magnetic.

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                        https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/southwest-flight-nearly-departs-taxiway-orlando-rcna197373

                        A Southwest Airlines flight nearly took off from a Florida taxiway on Thursday before an air traffic controller stopped the potentially dangerous departure, officials said.

                        The incident involving Flight 3278 unfolded at Orlando International Airport at 9:30 a.m. as the plane attempted to depart for Albany, officials said.

                        Southwest Airlines said its crew “mistook the surface for the nearby runway” and no injuries were reported.

                        Taxiways are used by planes to get to runways, from gates and hangars. They’re not designed for takeoffs.

                        "An air traffic controller at Orlando International Airport canceled the takeoff clearance for Southwest Airlines Flight 3278 ... after the aircraft began its takeoff roll on a taxiway," according to a Federal Aviation Administration statement.

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                          Was Harrison Ford the pilot?

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