RTO. Different office?
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@NobodySock said in RTO. Different office?:
well by wayyyy up, it is really only 3 months. But technically speaking, I would be done with work on Feb 6. This is alot to grasp right now and will wait a few days before responding to the offer as more details are fleshed out. This is really weird to think this may be my last pay period of 40 years work.
Be careful. There doesn’t seem to be any legal basis for the 8 month pay.
Also, is it really 8 months? Or is it ‘through September’? Reporting has been unclear about that. September would make sense for Trump/Musk because (as you surely know) that’s the end of the fiscal year so their first full year would be lighter.
I get that this week ‘8 months’ and ‘through September’ are the same thing but if one needed to stick around a bit to train someone in their duties it could start to make a difference.
@jon-nyc said in RTO. Different office?:
@NobodySock said in RTO. Different office?:
well by wayyyy up, it is really only 3 months. But technically speaking, I would be done with work on Feb 6. This is alot to grasp right now and will wait a few days before responding to the offer as more details are fleshed out. This is really weird to think this may be my last pay period of 40 years work.
Be careful. There doesn’t seem to be any legal basis for the 8 month pay.
Also, is it really 8 months? Or is it ‘through September’? Reporting has been unclear about that. September would make sense for Trump/Musk because (as you surely know) that’s the end of the fiscal year so their first full year would be lighter.
I get that this week ‘8 months’ and ‘through September’ are the same thing but if one needed to stick around a bit to train someone in their duties it could start to make a difference.
Also has anyone checked the fine print (if there is any) to see if this overrides any normal retirement benes? I don't mean pension, of course, but, say, being paid out unused vacation or whatever.
IOW they could be giving with one hand and taking away with the other, even unintentionally because this was surely rushed.
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Just got back from a business trip to DC. Talked to a few friends who are federal staff (Dept of Labor, Dept of Homeland Security, etc)... the first two I talked to said they bring a book to work and about half the workforce just sits in a conference room or hallway and reads since there aren't enough computers or workstations or internet bandwidth for everyone. They said they could easily log-in from home and do their job, but since they aren't allowed they just sit for 2-3 days each week and read a novel. I'll think of this as I pay my taxes soon!
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Just got back from a business trip to DC. Talked to a few friends who are federal staff (Dept of Labor, Dept of Homeland Security, etc)... the first two I talked to said they bring a book to work and about half the workforce just sits in a conference room or hallway and reads since there aren't enough computers or workstations or internet bandwidth for everyone. They said they could easily log-in from home and do their job, but since they aren't allowed they just sit for 2-3 days each week and read a novel. I'll think of this as I pay my taxes soon!
@89th said in RTO. Different office?:
Just got back from a business trip to DC. Talked to a few friends who are federal staff (Dept of Labor, Dept of Homeland Security, etc)... the first two I talked to said they bring a book to work and about half the workforce just sits in a conference room or hallway and reads since there aren't enough computers or workstations or internet bandwidth for everyone. They said they could easily log-in from home and do their job, but since they aren't allowed they just sit for 2-3 days each week and read a novel. I'll think of this as I pay my taxes soon!
How are they going to be able to answer Elon's email if they don't have internet access?????
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Ha, that's a great question. None of that is exaggerated above btw. Even on my own team, there are two federal staffers, one of which is a guy who has been on the job 6 months. Newly married, just landed this job... really would be a shame if he's fired despite the legitimacy of his duties.
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To update some questions here, The Fork in the Road promise to those who submit their intention to resign, includes all benefits as if one was still working actively. Time served, annual/sick leave accrual, etc. And yes, it is no longer 8 months, it is how ever long it will be from the day my agency informs me I am now on administrative leave until September 30th. I am still working. I am sure all agencies are scrambling to make sense out of all of this. And yeah, they just chopped off the head of the probationary employees as obviously that has the least bite back. So we received a new email from Elon's son over the weekend. It asked us to reply with 5 tasks that one accomplished during the last work week. It was to be sent back to them with a copy to one's supervisor. My agency quickly put out an email to all directing us to NOT reply to this email yet. I was a little bit surprised that I received this email as I am one of the 75,000 who took the offer, so one would think that those folks should have been omitted from this email. Oh well. Neither here nor there, but I am hearing and feeling the pain of 2 million federal colleagues who are living in fear for their future right now, as I am a member of a couple FB federal employee groups. They all feel victim to this chainsaw when more prudent methods could have been more methodical and approached with professionalism and real intent to save the government money instead of seeing it today for what it is. Retribution. Trump and Republicans have always hated the federal workforce. They are part of the deep state you know?
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Just got back from a business trip to DC. Talked to a few friends who are federal staff (Dept of Labor, Dept of Homeland Security, etc)... the first two I talked to said they bring a book to work and about half the workforce just sits in a conference room or hallway and reads since there aren't enough computers or workstations or internet bandwidth for everyone. They said they could easily log-in from home and do their job, but since they aren't allowed they just sit for 2-3 days each week and read a novel. I'll think of this as I pay my taxes soon!
@89th said in RTO. Different office?:
the first two I talked to said they bring a book to work and about half the workforce just sits in a conference room or hallway and reads since there aren't enough computers or workstations or internet bandwidth for everyone.
Did the US government reduce all of its office space during the past five years? I would think that most of those people were full time in the office before COVID?
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To update some questions here, The Fork in the Road promise to those who submit their intention to resign, includes all benefits as if one was still working actively. Time served, annual/sick leave accrual, etc. And yes, it is no longer 8 months, it is how ever long it will be from the day my agency informs me I am now on administrative leave until September 30th. I am still working. I am sure all agencies are scrambling to make sense out of all of this. And yeah, they just chopped off the head of the probationary employees as obviously that has the least bite back. So we received a new email from Elon's son over the weekend. It asked us to reply with 5 tasks that one accomplished during the last work week. It was to be sent back to them with a copy to one's supervisor. My agency quickly put out an email to all directing us to NOT reply to this email yet. I was a little bit surprised that I received this email as I am one of the 75,000 who took the offer, so one would think that those folks should have been omitted from this email. Oh well. Neither here nor there, but I am hearing and feeling the pain of 2 million federal colleagues who are living in fear for their future right now, as I am a member of a couple FB federal employee groups. They all feel victim to this chainsaw when more prudent methods could have been more methodical and approached with professionalism and real intent to save the government money instead of seeing it today for what it is. Retribution. Trump and Republicans have always hated the federal workforce. They are part of the deep state you know?
@NobodySock said in RTO. Different office?:
Neither here nor there, but I am hearing and feeling the pain of 2 million federal colleagues who are living in fear for their future right now, as I am a member of a couple FB federal employee groups. They all feel victim to this chainsaw when more prudent methods could have been more methodical and approached with professionalism and real intent to save the government money instead of seeing it today for what it is.
You'll hear the common "FAFO!" or "break things" or "there will be blood", but those are just lazy excuses for an extremely ineffective way to shrink the government, as you said, prudently. Most federal workers are performing important jobs, usually invisible to the public, but there's a reason why our nation is strong, decent, with food you don't have to worry about or buildings you don't have to be afraid entering.
It's honestly not hard to implement a smarter approach that reduces the size of government, let's agency leadership have the power to cut the fat, incentivize fiscal responsibility with your budget, and reduce costs overall. But the current approach is purely marketing... headlines and making MAGA folks post on facebook "FAFO, federal workers!" as if that has anything to do with it.
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@89th said in RTO. Different office?:
the first two I talked to said they bring a book to work and about half the workforce just sits in a conference room or hallway and reads since there aren't enough computers or workstations or internet bandwidth for everyone.
Did the US government reduce all of its office space during the past five years? I would think that most of those people were full time in the office before COVID?
@taiwan_girl said in RTO. Different office?:
@89th said in RTO. Different office?:
the first two I talked to said they bring a book to work and about half the workforce just sits in a conference room or hallway and reads since there aren't enough computers or workstations or internet bandwidth for everyone.
Did the US government reduce all of its office space during the past five years? I would think that most of those people were full time in the office before COVID?
Yup, at least based on the agencies I'm familiar with, most reduced their office space footprint so that the taxpayer didn't have to pay for leased buildings, security, food, janitorial services, mail, IT, electrical, utilities, parking, and all of the other overhead costs required to have employees sit next to each other.
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The thing is... Trump is an alpha leader. I enjoy that aspect about him, sometimes. He could force a prudent strategy of change if he wanted to that doesn't fall into the paralysis trap. He could say "every agency needs to cut staff by 20% over the next two years, and also provide an executive summary of where funding goes in the next 3 months so that I can figure out where it makes sense to suggest/force cuts".
Now I'm sure you'll say it's totally fine just because that's the line, and I don't know your line of work specifically, but imagine if the governor came to your hospital and just fired everyone and said "Meh, gotta break things to fix things!... we'll figure out after everyone is gone what jobs are needed and re-hire new folks as needed. I'm sure you'd say... yeah, not the brightest approach."
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The thing is... Trump is an alpha leader. I enjoy that aspect about him, sometimes. He could force a prudent strategy of change if he wanted to that doesn't fall into the paralysis trap. He could say "every agency needs to cut staff by 20% over the next two years, and also provide an executive summary of where funding goes in the next 3 months so that I can figure out where it makes sense to suggest/force cuts".
Now I'm sure you'll say it's totally fine just because that's the line, and I don't know your line of work specifically, but imagine if the governor came to your hospital and just fired everyone and said "Meh, gotta break things to fix things!... we'll figure out after everyone is gone what jobs are needed and re-hire new folks as needed. I'm sure you'd say... yeah, not the brightest approach."
@89th said in RTO. Different office?:
The thing is... Trump is an alpha leader. I enjoy that aspect about him, sometimes. He could force a prudent strategy of change if he wanted to that doesn't fall into the paralysis trap. He could say "every agency needs to cut staff by 20% over the next two years, and also provide an executive summary of where funding goes in the next 3 months so that I can figure out where it makes sense to suggest/force cuts".
Now I'm sure you'll say it's totally fine just because that's the line, and I don't know your line of work specifically, but imagine if the governor came to your hospital and just fired everyone and said "Meh, gotta break things to fix things!... we'll figure out after everyone is gone what jobs are needed and re-hire new folks as needed. I'm sure you'd say... yeah, not the brightest approach."
The governor did come to my hospital and he did fire everybody.
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@89th said in RTO. Different office?:
The thing is... Trump is an alpha leader. I enjoy that aspect about him, sometimes. He could force a prudent strategy of change if he wanted to that doesn't fall into the paralysis trap. He could say "every agency needs to cut staff by 20% over the next two years, and also provide an executive summary of where funding goes in the next 3 months so that I can figure out where it makes sense to suggest/force cuts".
Now I'm sure you'll say it's totally fine just because that's the line, and I don't know your line of work specifically, but imagine if the governor came to your hospital and just fired everyone and said "Meh, gotta break things to fix things!... we'll figure out after everyone is gone what jobs are needed and re-hire new folks as needed. I'm sure you'd say... yeah, not the brightest approach."
The governor did come to my hospital and he did fire everybody.
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@89th said in RTO. Different office?:
The thing is... Trump is an alpha leader. I enjoy that aspect about him, sometimes. He could force a prudent strategy of change if he wanted to that doesn't fall into the paralysis trap. He could say "every agency needs to cut staff by 20% over the next two years, and also provide an executive summary of where funding goes in the next 3 months so that I can figure out where it makes sense to suggest/force cuts".
Now I'm sure you'll say it's totally fine just because that's the line, and I don't know your line of work specifically, but imagine if the governor came to your hospital and just fired everyone and said "Meh, gotta break things to fix things!... we'll figure out after everyone is gone what jobs are needed and re-hire new folks as needed. I'm sure you'd say... yeah, not the brightest approach."
The governor did come to my hospital and he did fire everybody.
@Jolly said in RTO. Different office?:
@89th said in RTO. Different office?:
The thing is... Trump is an alpha leader. I enjoy that aspect about him, sometimes. He could force a prudent strategy of change if he wanted to that doesn't fall into the paralysis trap. He could say "every agency needs to cut staff by 20% over the next two years, and also provide an executive summary of where funding goes in the next 3 months so that I can figure out where it makes sense to suggest/force cuts".
Now I'm sure you'll say it's totally fine just because that's the line, and I don't know your line of work specifically, but imagine if the governor came to your hospital and just fired everyone and said "Meh, gotta break things to fix things!... we'll figure out after everyone is gone what jobs are needed and re-hire new folks as needed. I'm sure you'd say... yeah, not the brightest approach."
The governor did come to my hospital and he did fire everybody.
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