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Another Plane incident

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    I was on an Air Canada flight that caught a bad wind sheer while landing. It rocked the plane so bad, the overhead luggage bins broke, flinging carry-on bags everywhere. I watched the right wing miss hitting the tarmac by about two feet, before the plane rocked back the other way.

    I understand the Delta flight was trying to land during snow and high wind gusts. Maybe they caught a really bad sheer.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • MikM Offline
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      Likely so. I’ve spent a lot of hours on CRJs.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        jon-nyc
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        #5

        Me too. And Embraers.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • MikM Mik

          That’s new. Never heard of a plane flipping.

          CopperC Offline
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          #6

          @Mik said in Another Plane incident:

          That’s new. Never heard of a plane flipping.

          That is my Cessna on the bottom

          ![alt text](59e96f1d-a919-4893-ad90-6da65690c44a-image.jpeg image url)

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            Welcome to Donald Trump’s Canada.

            The Brad

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              #8

              The 51st state, eh?

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • RenaudaR Offline
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                Never!

                Elbows up!

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                • CopperC Copper

                  @Mik said in Another Plane incident:

                  That’s new. Never heard of a plane flipping.

                  That is my Cessna on the bottom

                  ![alt text](59e96f1d-a919-4893-ad90-6da65690c44a-image.jpeg image url)

                  taiwan_girlT Offline
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                  #10

                  @Copper Wow!! What is the story about that?

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                  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                    Here is the video of the crash. Seeing the video, amazing that most people had no or minor injuries.

                    https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/18/us/video/new-video-delta-plane-flips-digvid

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                    • 89th8 Online
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                      Amazing video. Either the pilot was drunk or they hit some tough wind that pushed the plane down about 20’ off the ground. A little odd since I’m sitting on a Delta plane at MSP right now.

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                        IMG_1795.jpeg

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                        • 89th8 Online
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                          89th
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                          #14

                          Good analysis btw. Basically a combination of a hard landing but a gust that made the right wing dip and strike the ground, which caused everything else…

                          Link to video

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                          • 89th8 Online
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                            Just landed in DC. They said to expect turbulence and a bump landing but that was the smoothest landing I can ever recall. Pilots might be extra cautious these days.

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                            • 89th8 89th

                              Just landed in DC. They said to expect turbulence and a bump landing but that was the smoothest landing I can ever recall. Pilots might be extra cautious these days.

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                              @89th Glad you made it safe and sound!!

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                                jon-nyc
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                                I wonder how many commercial pilots have wrecked an airliner and continued in their careers. Can’t be that many.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  I wonder how many commercial pilots have wrecked an airliner and continued in their careers. Can’t be that many.

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                                  @jon-nyc said in Another Plane incident:

                                  how many commercial pilots have wrecked an airliner and continued in their careers

                                  There were a couple well known I can think of.

                                  There was Jeff Skiles (Sully's co-pilot in the Hudson)
                                  And Gene Roddenberry (yes, that Gene Roddenberry)
                                  https://www.slashfilm.com/1644000/gene-roddenberry-star-trek-survived-plane-crashes/
                                  Neil Armstrong broke a few flying machines
                                  Harrison Ford broke at least a couple

                                  Most by make and model

                                  Most crashes

                                  • Cessna: Has been involved in 56,084 plane crashes
                                  • Piper: Has been involved in 35,802 plane crashes
                                  • Beech: Has been involved in 12,395 plane crashes

                                  I flew Cessna, Piper, Diamond and Beech, no crash.

                                  Most fatalities

                                  • Boeing 737-200: Has caused 906 fatalities
                                  • Boeing 747: The Tenerife airport disaster in 1977 resulted in 583 fatalities when a KLM Boeing 747 collided with a Pan Am 747
                                  • Boeing 727: From 1959 to 2020, the Boeing 727 had the most fatal hull losses of any commercial jet
                                  • Boeing 737 MAX: The MAX 8 variant had two fatal hull losses in 2018 and 2019
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                                  • 89th8 Online
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                                    89th
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                                    I’m sad no one zoomed into my iPad (laptop) picture. Especially @George-K

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      #20

                                      So apparently the percentage of people who think flying is ‘unsafe’ or ‘somewhat unsafe’ increased from 10% last year to 40% today.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                                        Kind of like vaccines.

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                                          https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/preliminary-report-released-delta-air-lines-crash-1.7488494

                                          A warning system on the Delta Air Lines flight that crashed at Pearson airport last month sent an alert indicating a high rate of descent less than three seconds before the plane touched down, according to a preliminary report.

                                          Less than a second before touchdown, the plane's rate of descent was 1,110 feet per minute. The flight manual defines a hard landing as a "landing at a vertical descent rate greater than 600 ft/min when the aircraft's gross weight is less than or equal to [maximum landing weight]," the report says.

                                          The Delta Air Lines flight weighed less than its maximum allowable take-off weight at the time of the crash.

                                          The report also says that less than a second before landing, the angle of the plane's aircraft, known as the pitch attitude, was one degree. The flight operations manual states pitch attitude at touchdown should be between three and eight degrees, the report said.

                                          and

                                          "At touchdown, the following occurred: the side-stay that is attached to the right [main landing gear] fractured, the landing gear folded into the retracted position, the wing root fractured between the fuselage and the landing gear, and the wing detached from the fuselage, releasing a cloud of jet fuel, which caught fire," the report said.

                                          "The exact sequence of these events is still to be determined by further examination of the fracture surfaces."

                                          The plane then began to slide along the runway, eventually going off the right side into a snow-covered grass area and coming to rest on Runway 15L, near the intersection with Runway 23

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