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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #1

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • 89th8 Offline
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      #2

      Don't get me wrong, I love the new culture of really caring about where our taxpayer dollars go.

      But jeez, a quick search shows his claims that "the Biden Administration rushed to allocate funds before inauguration day" is totally inaccurate. The EPA announced the opportunity almost two years ago (April 2023) and awarded that $7 billion in April 2024. None of that was "rushed to launder money before inauguration day".

      https://trellis.net/article/how-access-697-billion-epas-green-bank/

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        This whole schtick of "zomg, this waste was just discovered!" is getting old. Most of these were known a year or two ago.

        Yes, change the congressional appropriation of funds, and yes make the audit trail even more transparent, GREAT! But for fucks sake instill a little integrity into the process by not lying about "just discovered!!11omgz" so we can trust your statements in the future.

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
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          #4

          Look, maybe you knew.

          The average person on the street is going "ZOMG!".

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            Look, maybe you knew.

            The average person on the street is going "ZOMG!".

            AxtremusA Away
            AxtremusA Away
            Axtremus
            wrote on last edited by
            #5

            @Jolly said in $20 Billion:

            The average person on the street is going "ZOMG!".

            So you're saying the average Americans are uninformed and your preferred politicians are right to exploit their ignorance?

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            • 89th8 Offline
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              89th
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              #6

              Clickbait world, I guess.

              To be clear, almost none of that twitter post is true and the EPA Administrator is singing the song and dance to make it seem like Trump is discovering money laundering and rushed left-wing payments.

              But I guess the accurate headline "EPA Administrator looks to shift future funding decisions away from green energy coalitions after learning about a $20 billion Greenhouse Gas Reduction Fund award from 2 years ago" isn't as sexy.

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                Look, maybe you knew.

                The average person on the street is going "ZOMG!".

                jon-nycJ Offline
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                #7

                @Jolly said in $20 Billion:

                Look, maybe you knew.

                The average person on the street is going "ZOMG!".

                Translation: “I prefer a government to spew propaganda that confirms my priors rather than tell the truth to its citizens.”

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
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                  #8

                  Funny, didn't seem to bother you when the Biden Administration was feeding you BS with a seed scoop.

                  It's really twisting some of your panties in a wad, that Trump is actually making headway.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • MikM Away
                    MikM Away
                    Mik
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                    #9

                    He is. It's not pretty but progress is being made.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      #10

                      I saw Gingrich interviewed last night. He served with Reagan and said that while Reagan made some tremendous accomplishments in foreign policy, he was unable to shrink the Federal government. Gingrich said if Trump can pull this off, he goes down as a Top Ten.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                        #11

                        It is funny that someone would say that President X is one of the greatest either just after that President X left office or while still in office. Wait 50 years and then it will be more reasonable to assess.

                        Currently: President Trump cuts foreign aid, shrinks expenses of government.
                        Everybody says YAY!! Greatest president ever.

                        50-100 years from now: China (or another country) steps into vacuum created. Starts to "box" US out of world economy. US economy goes into long term decline.
                        Everybody goes BOO! Worst president ever.

                        Not saying that either will happen - just that analyzing ranking a president without time space is futile.

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                        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                          It is funny that someone would say that President X is one of the greatest either just after that President X left office or while still in office. Wait 50 years and then it will be more reasonable to assess.

                          Currently: President Trump cuts foreign aid, shrinks expenses of government.
                          Everybody says YAY!! Greatest president ever.

                          50-100 years from now: China (or another country) steps into vacuum created. Starts to "box" US out of world economy. US economy goes into long term decline.
                          Everybody goes BOO! Worst president ever.

                          Not saying that either will happen - just that analyzing ranking a president without time space is futile.

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                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #12

                          @taiwan_girl said in $20 Billion:

                          It is funny that someone would say that President X is one of the greatest either just after that President X left office or while still in office. Wait 50 years and then it will be more reasonable to assess.

                          Currently: President Trump cuts foreign aid, shrinks expenses of government.
                          Everybody says YAY!! Greatest president ever.

                          50-100 years from now: China (or another country) steps into vacuum created. Starts to "box" US out of world economy. US economy goes into long term decline.
                          Everybody goes BOO! Worst president ever.

                          Not saying that either will happen - just that analyzing ranking a president without time space is futile.

                          You do realize that foreign aid is still going to happen, right? Maybe not even at that much of a reduced level. It will likely just be more closely monitored to make sure that the programs close align with the administration’s strategic goals.

                          The Brad

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                            @LuFins-Dad It's unclear to me whether that is true, although I haven't tracked this specific issue very closely. Here is a summary article that at least provides some information:

                            https://www.newsweek.com/usaid-spending-money-list-potential-cuts-2029572

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                            • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                              It is funny that someone would say that President X is one of the greatest either just after that President X left office or while still in office. Wait 50 years and then it will be more reasonable to assess.

                              Currently: President Trump cuts foreign aid, shrinks expenses of government.
                              Everybody says YAY!! Greatest president ever.

                              50-100 years from now: China (or another country) steps into vacuum created. Starts to "box" US out of world economy. US economy goes into long term decline.
                              Everybody goes BOO! Worst president ever.

                              Not saying that either will happen - just that analyzing ranking a president without time space is futile.

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                              #14

                              @taiwan_girl said in $20 Billion:

                              It is funny that someone would say that President X is one of the greatest either just after that President X left office or while still in office. Wait 50 years and then it will be more reasonable to assess.

                              Currently: President Trump cuts foreign aid, shrinks expenses of government.
                              Everybody says YAY!! Greatest president ever.

                              50-100 years from now: China (or another country) steps into vacuum created. Starts to "box" US out of world economy. US economy goes into long term decline.
                              Everybody goes BOO! Worst president ever.

                              Not saying that either will happen - just that analyzing ranking a president without time space is futile.

                              True.

                              Two possible Reagan Legacies: Hero: End of Cold War leads to ‘end of history’ style world order with spread of democracy and classical liberalism. Goat (not GOAT): turning us from a creditor nation to the largest debtor nation leads us inexorably to national bankruptcy and loss of world power status

                              Two possible Clinton legacies: Hero: MFN status for China integrated them peacefully into the world order and slowly edges them toward liberal democracy. Goat: MFN status for China strengthens and empowers them to create a dystopian world order controlled by authoritarian surveillance states.

                              10 years after they left office option 1 seemed more likely in both cases. Now, unfortunately, option 2 does. Who knows what it’ll look like in 10 more years.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                @taiwan_girl said in $20 Billion:

                                It is funny that someone would say that President X is one of the greatest either just after that President X left office or while still in office. Wait 50 years and then it will be more reasonable to assess.

                                Currently: President Trump cuts foreign aid, shrinks expenses of government.
                                Everybody says YAY!! Greatest president ever.

                                50-100 years from now: China (or another country) steps into vacuum created. Starts to "box" US out of world economy. US economy goes into long term decline.
                                Everybody goes BOO! Worst president ever.

                                Not saying that either will happen - just that analyzing ranking a president without time space is futile.

                                You do realize that foreign aid is still going to happen, right? Maybe not even at that much of a reduced level. It will likely just be more closely monitored to make sure that the programs close align with the administration’s strategic goals.

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                                @LuFins-Dad

                                It was more a hypothetic to try and illustrate that what happens in the near term may not be looked at the same way long term.

                                To add to @jon-nyc example:

                                Neville Chamberlain - foreign minister of UK. "Peace in Our Time". Maybe at the time, wow!! he did great.

                                85 years later, hmmmm different story.

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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  #16

                                  Two years later indeed.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                    @LuFins-Dad

                                    It was more a hypothetic to try and illustrate that what happens in the near term may not be looked at the same way long term.

                                    To add to @jon-nyc example:

                                    Neville Chamberlain - foreign minister of UK. "Peace in Our Time". Maybe at the time, wow!! he did great.

                                    85 years later, hmmmm different story.

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                                    Doctor Phibes
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                                    #17

                                    @taiwan_girl said in $20 Billion:

                                    Neville Chamberlain - foreign minister of UK

                                    Not to be pedantic, but he was Prime Minister, not foreign minister 🙂

                                    I was only joking

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                                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                      It is funny that someone would say that President X is one of the greatest either just after that President X left office or while still in office. Wait 50 years and then it will be more reasonable to assess.

                                      Currently: President Trump cuts foreign aid, shrinks expenses of government.
                                      Everybody says YAY!! Greatest president ever.

                                      50-100 years from now: China (or another country) steps into vacuum created. Starts to "box" US out of world economy. US economy goes into long term decline.
                                      Everybody goes BOO! Worst president ever.

                                      Not saying that either will happen - just that analyzing ranking a president without time space is futile.

                                      JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
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                                      @taiwan_girl said in $20 Billion:

                                      It is funny that someone would say that President X is one of the greatest either just after that President X left office or while still in office. Wait 50 years and then it will be more reasonable to assess.

                                      Currently: President Trump cuts foreign aid, shrinks expenses of government.
                                      Everybody says YAY!! Greatest president ever.

                                      50-100 years from now: China (or another country) steps into vacuum created. Starts to "box" US out of world economy. US economy goes into long term decline.
                                      Everybody goes BOO! Worst president ever.

                                      Not saying that either will happen - just that analyzing ranking a president without time space is futile.

                                      And Washington owned slaves.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        @taiwan_girl said in $20 Billion:

                                        It is funny that someone would say that President X is one of the greatest either just after that President X left office or while still in office. Wait 50 years and then it will be more reasonable to assess.

                                        Currently: President Trump cuts foreign aid, shrinks expenses of government.
                                        Everybody says YAY!! Greatest president ever.

                                        50-100 years from now: China (or another country) steps into vacuum created. Starts to "box" US out of world economy. US economy goes into long term decline.
                                        Everybody goes BOO! Worst president ever.

                                        Not saying that either will happen - just that analyzing ranking a president without time space is futile.

                                        And Washington owned slaves.

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                                        taiwan_girl
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                                        @Jolly said in $20 Billion:

                                        And Washington owned slaves.

                                        Agree, but you have to look at the whole work done by him, the time he was living, the context, etc. And I think that even with him owing slaves, most people agree that he is one of the better US president ever.

                                        I am sure that we can find one thing that President Biden did well, (LOL), but that does not make his president term great.

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