Helicopter Crash in DC
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I think there were at least 4 divers on the scene at around 10 PM.
My first instinct is to blame the Army pilot, but I guess mechanical failure is possible.
On a training mission I would expect the instructor to put a little extra stress on the student. I believe the sec def said this was recurrent training, meaning it was not initial training, if so, the trainee had done this kind of flying before and was possibly an experienced pilot.
If either the instructor or the trainee was a gay black guy, the DEI movement is dead, now and forever.
They (Trump and Sec Def) are already making anti-DEI noise, saying only the best and the brightest will be ATC or pilots, no DEI hires here.
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Hegseth said it was a routine nightime training flight. The way he talked, it was the kind of flight routinely flown to keep up skill levels, not to train a newer pilot how to do something. The Army already has investigators on site and they are working with the FAA.
Trump said in the presser that the A A pilot had done nothing wrong. Trump said he did not know if the air traffic controllers had done anything wrong, but that the Biden era DEI policies for that job are no longer in effect. He also said they were looking into whether the numbers of ATC were adequate.
Duffy said that the investigation is under way and answers will be swift in forthcoming and will be made public.
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I'll be surprised if more information is ever found out as it seems pretty clear the helo pilot was looking at the wrong CRJ and didn't see the doomed plane out his left window (since runway 33 is used far less often) until it broadsided him. Maybe there is cockpit audio they can recover?
Trump needs to learn when to stop talking about things he doesn't know, but I think that ship has sailed.
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Case in point, Trump blaming the FAA's DEI policy that was in place since 2013 (not sure Trump knew that when he made his claims), the reporter asked why Trump didn't do anything about it when he was President the first time, Trump deflects and dodges lol...
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It's quite sad how quickly they've switched to politics and blame when so many have died.
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Very. I actually texted my buddies last night that I figured the spin this morning would be about remote federal workers (e.g., NTSB, FAA) but I guess I was wrong, apparently it was DEI policies (even though the tower and both pilots were white males, as far as I know).
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I'll be surprised if more information is ever found out as it seems pretty clear the helo pilot was looking at the wrong CRJ and didn't see the doomed plane out his left window (since runway 33 is used far less often) until it broadsided him. Maybe there is cockpit audio they can recover?
Trump needs to learn when to stop talking about things he doesn't know, but I think that ship has sailed.
@89th said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
I'll be surprised if more information is ever found out as it seems pretty clear the helo pilot was looking at the wrong CRJ and didn't see the doomed plane out his left window (since runway 33 is used far less often) until it broadsided him. Maybe there is cockpit audio they can recover?
Trump needs to learn when to stop talking about things he doesn't know, but I think that ship has sailed.
Trump is Trump.
After the last four years of being lied to, not talked to at all and a staff that covered up the shortcomings of a doddering old fool, like a cat covering up shit, a bit too much talking is like a refreshing breeze on a hot day.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Yes, it is too soon to say what happened, most of the speculation seems reasonable, but there could have been some kind of mechanical failure.
The idea that the army pilots could just fly into the jet is so stupid and such a big obvious mistake it seems like there must be some other contributing factors.
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@89th said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
I'll be surprised if more information is ever found out as it seems pretty clear the helo pilot was looking at the wrong CRJ and didn't see the doomed plane out his left window (since runway 33 is used far less often) until it broadsided him. Maybe there is cockpit audio they can recover?
Trump needs to learn when to stop talking about things he doesn't know, but I think that ship has sailed.
Trump is Trump.
After the last four years of being lied to, not talked to at all and a staff that covered up the shortcomings of a doddering old fool, like a cat covering up shit, a bit too much talking is like a refreshing breeze on a hot day.
@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@89th said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
I'll be surprised if more information is ever found out as it seems pretty clear the helo pilot was looking at the wrong CRJ and didn't see the doomed plane out his left window (since runway 33 is used far less often) until it broadsided him. Maybe there is cockpit audio they can recover?
Trump needs to learn when to stop talking about things he doesn't know, but I think that ship has sailed.
Trump is Trump.
After the last four years of being lied to, not talked to at all and a staff that covered up the shortcomings of a doddering old fool, like a cat covering up shit, a bit too much talking is like a refreshing breeze on a hot day.
Fair enough, I did mention before that I am enjoying many of the EOs coming out and getting shit done. That being said, being lied to...are you referring to Biden (count TBD) or Trump (30,573 in Trump's first term)? Being quite and wrong is just as bad as being loud and wrong. Why can't we just have an honest adult in the room?
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After the last four years of being lied to, not talked to at all and a staff that covered up the shortcomings of a doddering old fool, like a cat covering up shit, a bit too much talking is like a refreshing breeze on a hot day.
Nothing refreshing about Trump’s uninformed musings on this tragedy. It is lacking sound judgement and way out of line.
Elbows up!
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@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@89th said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
I'll be surprised if more information is ever found out as it seems pretty clear the helo pilot was looking at the wrong CRJ and didn't see the doomed plane out his left window (since runway 33 is used far less often) until it broadsided him. Maybe there is cockpit audio they can recover?
Trump needs to learn when to stop talking about things he doesn't know, but I think that ship has sailed.
Trump is Trump.
After the last four years of being lied to, not talked to at all and a staff that covered up the shortcomings of a doddering old fool, like a cat covering up shit, a bit too much talking is like a refreshing breeze on a hot day.
Fair enough, I did mention before that I am enjoying many of the EOs coming out and getting shit done. That being said, being lied to...are you referring to Biden (count TBD) or Trump (30,573 in Trump's first term)? Being quite and wrong is just as bad as being loud and wrong. Why can't we just have an honest adult in the room?
@89th said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@89th said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
I'll be surprised if more information is ever found out as it seems pretty clear the helo pilot was looking at the wrong CRJ and didn't see the doomed plane out his left window (since runway 33 is used far less often) until it broadsided him. Maybe there is cockpit audio they can recover?
Trump needs to learn when to stop talking about things he doesn't know, but I think that ship has sailed.
Trump is Trump.
After the last four years of being lied to, not talked to at all and a staff that covered up the shortcomings of a doddering old fool, like a cat covering up shit, a bit too much talking is like a refreshing breeze on a hot day.
Fair enough, I did mention before that I am enjoying many of the EOs coming out and getting shit done. That being said, being lied to...are you referring to Biden (count TBD) or Trump (30,573 in Trump's first term)? Being quite and wrong is just as bad as being loud and wrong. Why can't we just have an honest adult in the room?
You keep hanging onto that 30,573 number like an acne riddled adolescent boy who managed to get his hands in a girl's panties for the first time.
Eh, doc, where'd you get the number?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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After the last four years of being lied to, not talked to at all and a staff that covered up the shortcomings of a doddering old fool, like a cat covering up shit, a bit too much talking is like a refreshing breeze on a hot day.
Nothing refreshing about Trump’s uninformed musings on this tragedy. It is lacking sound judgement and way out of line.
@Renauda said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
After the last four years of being lied to, not talked to at all and a staff that covered up the shortcomings of a doddering old fool, like a cat covering up shit, a bit too much talking is like a refreshing breeze on a hot day.
Nothing refreshing about Trump’s uninformed musings in this tragedy. It is lacking sound judgement and way out of line.
Yeah I keep seeing clips. He's completely talking out of his arse, DEI standards, computer systems, 60 planes coming in and out, it's really not that complicated of a situation and his politicization of it is an insult to the families who just lost loved ones 12 hours ago.
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@89th said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
@89th said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
I'll be surprised if more information is ever found out as it seems pretty clear the helo pilot was looking at the wrong CRJ and didn't see the doomed plane out his left window (since runway 33 is used far less often) until it broadsided him. Maybe there is cockpit audio they can recover?
Trump needs to learn when to stop talking about things he doesn't know, but I think that ship has sailed.
Trump is Trump.
After the last four years of being lied to, not talked to at all and a staff that covered up the shortcomings of a doddering old fool, like a cat covering up shit, a bit too much talking is like a refreshing breeze on a hot day.
Fair enough, I did mention before that I am enjoying many of the EOs coming out and getting shit done. That being said, being lied to...are you referring to Biden (count TBD) or Trump (30,573 in Trump's first term)? Being quite and wrong is just as bad as being loud and wrong. Why can't we just have an honest adult in the room?
You keep hanging onto that 30,573 number like an acne riddled adolescent boy who managed to get his hands in a girl's panties for the first time.
Eh, doc, where'd you get the number?
@Jolly said in Helicopter Crash in DC:
You keep hanging onto that 30,573 number like an acne riddled adolescent boy who managed to get his hands in a girl's panties for the first time.
Eh, doc, where'd you get the number?
It's a completely auditable list. You can download the .CSV file here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/csv/wapo_trumpclaims_export-012021.csv.zip
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I wouldn't give the Washington Compost the time of day. Their bias is well known.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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And in a spirit of fair play, I'm sure they counted Biden's false or misleading statements too. If they had, what the best possible rhetorical punch that would be left? Trump had 30 thousand lies against a mere 21 thousand for Biden!
Education is extremely important.
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It's actually funny to go through the list and how numb/normalized people are to his false statements. I literally just picked two random ones here:
Claim: We won Florida and Ohio in record numbers. We won Iowa by 8.2%. Nobody's ever won those three states and lost, never happened before. It's almost impossible unless people do a lot of -- either get very lucky or they cheat.
Analysis: Richard Nixon, a Republican, won (Iowa), Ohio and Florida in 1960 -- and lost to John F. Kennedy, a Democrat.
Claim: They call them organic where they just spring up, thousands of cars that stretch for 98 miles, tractors, thousands of tractors and farms in Iowa.
Analysis: A total fabrication. The biggest tractor parade for Trump we could find was in Ohio, with nearly 300 combines and tractors. A September tractor parade in Jefferson, Iowa registered "80 tractors and trucks" There appears to be no estimate for the parade in Atlantic, Iowa that Trump appears to be referencing but indicates few tractors and mostly pickup trucks, numbering at best a few hundred.
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