Does the universe suggest a creator?
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 16:02 last edited by
The good news is every one here will find out within the next few decades.
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 16:40 last edited by
You’re question-begging.
I think nobody will find out one way or another.
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 16:43 last edited by
If Christianity is right, the Judgement is coming. We'll all find out.
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 17:00 last edited by
Yeah, Pascal knew this... not that it should be a reason to have faith, but one path has no risk, the other does.
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 17:40 last edited by
@89th said in Does the universe suggest a creator?:
The good news is every one here will find out within the next few decades.
The bad news is that no, we won't.
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Yeah, Pascal knew this... not that it should be a reason to have faith, but one path has no risk, the other does.
wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 17:42 last edited by@89th said in Does the universe suggest a creator?:
Yeah, Pascal knew this... not that it should be a reason to have faith, but one path has no risk, the other does.
Your approach is laden with risk if it's the Muslims who are correct.
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 17:46 last edited by jon-nyc
@Jolly said in Does the universe suggest a creator?:
If Christianity is right, the Judgement is coming. We'll all find out.
Hence the question begging. Us ‘finding out’ is contingent upon there being some sort of after-existence where there’s something recognizable as ‘us’ that is capable of absorbing a new fact.
If death means your brain and your self just zero out for all eternity there’s no ‘you’ left to be made aware of that.
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 18:03 last edited by Renauda
I tend towards a more Spinoza influenced thinking on the matter. Focus on how you control your desires and conduct your daily living rather than in what and how you believe. Essentially the Golden Rule of do unto others as you would have them into unto you or better, in the words of Hillel the Elder:
What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah, the rest is commentary.
Pretty straightforward to my way of thinking.
I know it is not at all an easy task to follow but I would rather try to adhere to that than some millennialist superstitions that pervade various sects and ecclesial communities.
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 18:21 last edited by
I don't think the afterlife question is nearly as interesting as the origin and the controlling forces behind the universe.
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I don't think the afterlife question is nearly as interesting as the origin and the controlling forces behind the universe.
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I tend towards a more Spinoza influenced thinking on the matter. Focus on how you control your desires and conduct your daily living rather than in what and how you believe. Essentially the Golden Rule of do unto others as you would have them into unto you or better, in the words of Hillel the Elder:
What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah, the rest is commentary.
Pretty straightforward to my way of thinking.
I know it is not at all an easy task to follow but I would rather try to adhere to that than some millennialist superstitions that pervade various sects and ecclesial communities.
wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 18:56 last edited by@Renauda said in Does the universe suggest a creator?:
I tend towards a more Spinoza influenced thinking on the matter. Focus on how you control your desires and conduct your daily living rather than in what and how you believe. Essentially the Golden Rule of do unto others as you would have them into unto you or better, in the words of Hillel the Elder:
What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah, the rest is commentary.
Pretty straightforward to my way of thinking.
I find anchovies on pizza to be pretty hateful. Does that make it wrong for me to order a pizza with anchovies for my employee that loves it?
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 19:07 last edited by
That might be the single worst counter argument I’ve ever read on TNCR.
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 19:23 last edited by Renauda
I find anchovies on pizza to be pretty hateful. Does that make it wrong for me to order a pizza with anchovies for my employee that loves it?
What Mik just wrote and feel free to order me one as well, if for no reason other than an act of goodwill. I like anchovies on my pizza very much.
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 19:27 last edited by
Yeah, but he still wins today for galactic level irony.
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@Renauda said in Does the universe suggest a creator?:
I tend towards a more Spinoza influenced thinking on the matter. Focus on how you control your desires and conduct your daily living rather than in what and how you believe. Essentially the Golden Rule of do unto others as you would have them into unto you or better, in the words of Hillel the Elder:
What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah, the rest is commentary.
Pretty straightforward to my way of thinking.
I find anchovies on pizza to be pretty hateful. Does that make it wrong for me to order a pizza with anchovies for my employee that loves it?
wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 19:39 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Does the universe suggest a creator?:
I find anchovies on pizza to be pretty hateful. Does that make it wrong for me to order a pizza with anchovies for my employee that loves it?
You’re doing Kantian meta-ethics wrong. The correct analysis would include the context ‘I find pizza’s I don’t like to be hateful. Should I buy my employee a pizza he doesn’t like’. Answer: no, get him the anchovies.
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 20:07 last edited by
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 20:09 last edited by
Only at TNCR could we go from creation to anchovies.
Which are, I might add, delicious.
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 20:14 last edited by
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The article poses a well-litigated question. Personally, I'm fine with the explanation that observers such as us would have to exist in a goldilocks zone with perfect parameters for life. In a universe with billions and billions of solar system, it's not surprising that perfection will exist at some point. Even if there's still a very low chance, we can imagine that universes explode, then, over time, implode, and it all starts again. There are potentially infinite universes, and at some point, intelligent life will spring up, and observe. None of that requires an intentional creator.
wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 20:30 last edited by Renauda@Horace said in Does the universe suggest a creator?:
The article poses a well-litigated question. Personally, I'm fine with the explanation that observers such as us would have to exist in a goldilocks zone with perfect parameters for life. In a universe with billions and billions of solar system, it's not surprising that perfection will exist at some point. Even if there's still a very low chance, we can imagine that universes explode, then, over time, implode, and it all starts again. There are potentially infinite universes, and at some point, intelligent life will spring up, and observe. None of that requires an intentional creator.
I can see that. In the past dozen or so years I have come to think of our universe as the other side of an event horizon to a black hole that resides in another one of those multiple universes occupying infinity.