Cheap AI LLMs from China
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wrote on 26 Jan 2025, 19:36 last edited by
By now, most of the world recognizes AI as a strategic competitive force, and of course that includes China.
This article rounds up China's generative AI large language models (LLMs) and compare them to the American ones like OpenAI and Meta/Facebook's offerings:
https://venturebeat.com/ai/why-everyone-in-ai-is-freaking-out-about-deepseek/
Yeah, the Chinese stuff is a lot cheaper, and comes with blind spots about topics the CCP is sensitive about (e.g., won't answer questions about TianAnMan Square massacre), but then there are topics that the likes of ChatGPT will not address as well; just different topics than the models coming out of China. :man-shrugging:
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 02:20 last edited by
I think that the Chinese models are much more censored than the Western ones.
Ask Deepseek about Taiwan for example.
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 02:21 last edited by
I went to deepseek with the intention of asking “Has China apologized to the world for unleashing Covid and killing so many innocent people?’
But I balked when I had to give my email and/or phone number to the CCP.
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I went to deepseek with the intention of asking “Has China apologized to the world for unleashing Covid and killing so many innocent people?’
But I balked when I had to give my email and/or phone number to the CCP.
wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 04:36 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Cheap AI LLMs from China:
But I balked when I had to give my email and/or phone number to the CCP.
The model underlying DeepSeek is supposedly open sourced. So if there isn't one already, there will be a service somewhere that uses the underlying model that is not operated by a CCP-affiliated party.
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He had replied to his own tweet saying his account was disactivated. Maybe he just fat fingered the password.
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 15:18 last edited by
This has hammered AI names in the stock market today. I don't quite understand why. NVDA for instance is down 13%. Maybe there is anticipation that we will no longer allow sales of chips to china.
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 15:55 last edited by
I think we already don’t.
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 15:56 last edited by
I am terribly surprised China has built a cheaper knock off of a tech product.
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 16:22 last edited by
I guess the theory behind the stock crash is that this will lessen the need for investment into AI going forward, if there exist super cheap alternatives.
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 16:38 last edited by
I'm not an expert, but didn't the smart investment folks already see this coming?
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 16:59 last edited by
@89th The market as a whole was certainly surprised, given the massive movement today. As for individual investors, I don't attempt to distinguish the smart from the stupid, and individual results don't often bear out any such distinction. You can call Buffett smart, or Jim Simons. But I don't think there's a community of "smart" investors who all think similarly, unless you want to call the "diversify and rebalance" crowd that. Anyway, anybody who got in on NVDA at the start of the AI craze is still up many-many-fold. Hard to call them ignorant.
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 17:08 last edited by
Well my investments in JOBY and ACHR will eventually prove to be genius in like 20 years. Just watch. eVTOLs baby... electric autonomous air taxi services FTW
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 18:04 last edited by
I asked about Tianamen square, and of course the answer was "I can't say anything".
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 18:41 last edited by
Ask if China has apologized officially for unleashing COVID on the world and killing millions of innocent people.
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wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 19:23 last edited by
Today may represent a buying opportunity?
Intel's (NASDAQ:INTC) former CEO Pat Gelsinger called out the market for overreacting to the news of China's DeepSeek artificial intelligence model.
AI stocks collapsed across the board on Monday as DeepSeek's chatbot rose to the top of the most downloaded app on Apple's (AAPL) App Store.
However, Gelsinger pointed out that if DeepSeek proves that large language models can be created with less computing power, it stands to reason AI will grow even more.
"Wisdom is learning the lessons we thought we already knew," Gelsinger said in a post on X. "DeepSeek reminds us of three important learnings from computing history: 1) Computing obeys the gas law. Making it dramatically cheaper will expand the market for it. The markets are getting it wrong, this will make AI much more broadly deployed. 2) Engineering is about constraints. The Chinese engineers had limited resources, and they had to find creative solutions. 3) Open Wins. DeepSeek will help reset the increasingly closed world of foundational AI model work. Thank you DeepSeek team."
DeepSeek reportedly developed its LLM at a fraction of the cost and compute power of competitors.
"The model was developed by the Chinese AI startup DeepSeek, which claims that R1 matches or even surpasses OpenAI's ChatGPT o1 on multiple key benchmarks but operates at a fraction of the cost," according to a report by the MIT Technology Review.
Nvidia (NASDAQ:NVDA) shares tanked 17% by afternoon trading, while Broadcom (NASDAQ:AVGO) plummeted 19%. Microsoft (NASDAQ:MSFT), which is a primary backer of OpenAI, slipped 2.5%.
However, after reaching the No. 1 ranking in App Store downloads, DeepSeek quickly limited availability of its software, citing hackers as the reason.
"Due to large-scale malicious attacks on DeepSeek's services, we are temporarily limiting registrations to ensure continued service," DeepSeek said. "Existing users can log in as usual. Thanks for your understanding and support."
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