On the birthright citizenship EO

[Jolly]

It won't stand. He knows that. It focuses attention on the issue.

[jon-nyc]

This probably explains why he didn’t put his hand on the Bible while taking his oath. He new he’d be violating it in a few hours, or trying to.

[89th]

Haha that screw up I don't put on Trump. Although he should've known to wait, it did seem that Roberts started before Melania was in position (and less importantly, all of Trump's "wait, are we characters in succession?" kids). Roberts also screwed up Obama's oath in 2009.

[Jolly]

@jon-nyc said in On the birthright citizenship EO:

This probably explains why he didn’t put his hand on the Bible while taking his oath. He new he’d be violating it in a few hours, or trying to.

Now you've quit talking and gone to lying.

It's known why. Roberts was a bit faster than planned and Melania had trouble with the Bibles (she had two).

You also are well aware of the multiple Presidents who didn't use a Bible... Last time I looked, they were still sworn in.

[jon-nyc]

Dude it was a joke. It’s not like Trump is a Christian.

[Jolly]

@jon-nyc said in On the birthright citizenship EO:

Dude it was a joke. It’s not like Trump is a Christian.

And you know that how?

[LuFins Dad]

LOL, are you seriously going to go down that route after arguing the other side about that cocktease on Only Fans?

[Copper]

He did mention "Our God" yesterday.

I assume he was referring to the God of America that we all trust.

[89th]

Always figured he was referring to Neilson.

[LuFins Dad]

@Copper said in On the birthright citizenship EO:

He did mention "Our God" yesterday.

I assume he was referring to the God of America that we all trust.

I thought he was referring to himself, again.

[George K]

SCOTUS affirmed birth right citizenship in 1898. I wonder if it will revisit it.

[Jolly]

@LuFins-Dad said in On the birthright citizenship EO:

LOL, are you seriously going to go down that route after arguing the other side about that cocktease on Only Fans?

Yes, I will.

You want to open the ball?

[89th]

That Trump is a Christian?

[jon-nyc]

I’ll start:

“For Trump so loved himself that he gave his one and only stream of tweets, that whoever retweets him shall not perish but have eternal praise.”

Donald John 3:16

[Horace]

I doubt he goes to church. I doubt he reads the Bible. But I wouldn't be surprised if he has a vague belief in this Christian God people keep talking about.

[89th]

Agreed. Believers come in all levels of proficiency, and Lord (literally) knows I am not terribly fluent in scripture. If I can be immune from judgement... Trump seems like he checks most of the 7 deadly sins boxes and probably couldn't name a verse or more than 10 books of the bible.

[taiwan_girl]

I think it should go both ways. If people are going to "bash" President Biden for pretending to be a Catholic, then it is only fair that the same people "bash" President Trump for pretending to be a Christian.

[Horace]

@89th said in On the birthright citizenship EO:

Agreed. Believers come in all levels of proficiency, and Lord (literally) knows I am not terribly fluent in scripture. If I can be immune from judgement... Trump seems like he checks most of the 7 deadly sins boxes and probably couldn't name a verse or more than 10 books of the bible.

Anybody can become a Christian at any moment of any day, that is their choice. Maybe an assassin's bullet through the earlobe during an historic presidential run which he eventually won, could be a reasonable case for thinking that maybe, just maybe, Trump is a real Christian, if not a particularly practicing one.

Not to say that Trump is a Christian, therefore God saved him. Just that Trump might have good reason to believe.

[Renauda]

Well, if nothing else, Trump, to the detriment of all things earthly and spiritually, believes in his own grand destiny and reminds us so every goddamned minute of the solar day.

[Jolly]

The argument I used in the Only Fans thread was the fruit argument. Go back and read it. When you do, do give some thought about when Salvation happens and those fruits.

Lastly, define whether you hold to a Catholic view of Salvation, a Wesleyan view or the argument of enduring Salvation put forth by the Baptists.