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The Hegseth "incident."

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  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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    taiwan_girl
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    #155

    Hmmm. I am just surprised, that if you take the partisan from this pick, that people think Mr. Hegseth is a good choice.

    The ⬇ column seems to have a lot more entries than the ⬆ column

    (and yes, I know that there have been minister picks in the past that were less qualified. But.......... that still does not justify this one. If you look at importance, I think that the Minister of Defense is one of the more important Minister positions.)

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      #156

      The military needs a radical overhaul and you want more of the same.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
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        #157

        I think she missed the point.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • RenaudaR Renauda

          @jon-nyc said in The Hegseth "incident.":

          I guess I should have read that before making my confirmation prognostications. If he gets the ax, that’s good news for Gabbard.

          Watched a bit of this morning’s interrogation of Hesgeth on BBC. Meh, a lot of theatre by all involved.

          I personally think that despite his baggage, Hesgeth is far less of a liability to the country risk than Gabbard. That woman should not have access to anything classified above Personal & Confidential.

          taiwan_girlT Offline
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          taiwan_girl
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          #158

          @Renauda said in The Hegseth "incident.":

          the country risk than Gabbard. That woman should not have access to anything classified above Personal & Confidential.

          Sen. McConnell is a crucial vote
          https://www.axios.com/2025/01/17/mcconnell-gabbard-senate-confirmation-trump

          President-elect Trump Trump's transition thinks Gabbard, the nominee for director of national intelligence, can get confirmed even with a "no" vote from McConnell. But his public opposition — if it materializes — could open the door to other GOP defectors.
          Gabbard's team isn't banking on McConnell's vote, sources tell Axios.
          McConnell is studiously avoiding public or private indications that he'll support Trump's nominees, three people familiar with the matter tell Axios.
          Voting against Gabbard would resume hostilities between McConnell and Trump. It could have implications for big policy questions down the line, from funding Ukraine to raising tariffs.

          McConnell said on the Senate floor on Thursday that he'll support nominees to "senior national security roles whose record and experience will make them immediate assets, not liabilities, in the pursuit of peace through strength."
          When asked specifically about Gabbard, McConnell told CNN's Manu Raju he was not ready to announce whether he can back her.

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          • 89th8 Offline
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            #159

            Why did she leave her boots in a field? Seems unnecessary. Hopefully she had flip flops or good socks.

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              • 89th8 89th

                Why did she leave her boots in a field? Seems unnecessary. Hopefully she had flip flops or good socks.

                George KG Offline
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                George K
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                @89th said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                Why did she leave her boots in a field? Seems unnecessary. Hopefully she had flip flops or good socks.

                image.jpeg

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • LuFins DadL Offline
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                  LuFins Dad
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                  #162

                  Ouch, 89th…

                  The Brad

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                  • 89th8 Offline
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                    89th
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                    #163

                    Oh bloody hell. My bad

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                    • 89th8 Offline
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                      89th
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                      #164

                      Link to video

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                      • 89th8 89th

                        Oh bloody hell. My bad

                        George KG Offline
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                        George K
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                        @89th said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                        Oh bloody hell. My bad

                        Two points.

                        1. Waving your Purple Heart in someone's face to discredit them is poor form.
                        2. She proves, in a way, Hegseth's point. If she had been in a non-combatant role, she'd be walking down the halls of congress.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                          taiwan_girl
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                          #166

                          Random (not even really interesting) fact: When I was in Wash DC this past summer, stopped by Sen. Duckworth's office. She happened to be there and was on her way out. Talked for about 10 seconds. She is half Thai so I greeted her with "Swa dee ka" , and she was kind of surprised. LOL

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                            NobodySock
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                            #167

                            I didn't like him until I saw his white supremecy tats on his chest. That makes him good people.

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                            • N NobodySock

                              I didn't like him until I saw his white supremecy tats on his chest. That makes him good people.

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                              Jolly
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                              @NobodySock said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                              I didn't like him until I saw his white supremecy tats on his chest. That makes him good people.

                              Yes, white supremacy is the highest danger the country now faces.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • George KG George K

                                @89th said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                                Oh bloody hell. My bad

                                Two points.

                                1. Waving your Purple Heart in someone's face to discredit them is poor form.
                                2. She proves, in a way, Hegseth's point. If she had been in a non-combatant role, she'd be walking down the halls of congress.
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                                jon-nyc
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                                @George-K said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                                1. She proves, in a way, Hegseth's point. If she had been in a non-combatant role, she'd be walking down the halls of congress.

                                Not really because that argument is not specific to women. Almost any wounded vet wouldn’t have been wounded had they not been in combat roles.

                                You were warned.

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  @George-K said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                                  1. She proves, in a way, Hegseth's point. If she had been in a non-combatant role, she'd be walking down the halls of congress.

                                  Not really because that argument is not specific to women. Almost any wounded vet wouldn’t have been wounded had they not been in combat roles.

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #170

                                  @jon-nyc said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                                  @George-K said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                                  1. She proves, in a way, Hegseth's point. If she had been in a non-combatant role, she'd be walking down the halls of congress.

                                  Not really because that argument is not specific to women. Almost any wounded vet wouldn’t have been wounded had they not been in combat roles.

                                  Not following that one. If women were restricted to non-combat roles, their chances of getting limbs blown off go way down. Not saying it wouldn't happen with asymmetric warfare, since with drones, IEDs, etc., the rear areas are also subject to violence, but chances are much less.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    #171

                                    Same with left handers, gingers, and guys named Todd.

                                    Is that an argument for excluding them from combat roles?

                                    You were warned.

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      Same with left handers, gingers, and guys named Todd.

                                      Is that an argument for excluding them from combat roles?

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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #172

                                      @jon-nyc said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                                      Same with left handers, gingers, and guys named Todd.

                                      Is that an argument for excluding them from combat roles?

                                      Hegseth argued "standards".

                                      Here's an article from Military.com:

                                      https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/01/14/hegseth-grilled-about-women-combat-officer-purge-confirmation-hearing.html

                                      What he said is pretty much in line with his previous position... Lowering standards results in a less deadly and efficient military. If you follow this stuff much at all, you know what he's talking about...Infantry, Special Ops, maybe some Engineering battalions, Calvary (women can't crank tracks)etc. It doesn't preclude them from combat roles such as fighter or helicopter pilots, drone operators, or near combat roles such as medical or quartermaster units.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • JollyJ Offline
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                                        Jolly
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                                        #173

                                        Having noted his views on standards, I think that women deployed in theater in noncombat roles, along with those in combat roles, should A) be fully counseled about rape if captured, and B) should be placed on birth control implants.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          jon-nyc
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                                          #174

                                          Standards also isn’t a reason to have no women in combat. It’s a reason to have far fewer.

                                          At any rate ‘group x shouldn’t be in combat because memebers of group x could get injured’ works for all x, not just a subset.

                                          You were warned.

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