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A cold day needs a hot soup.

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    Comparison to other flavors. Note that some are measured in parts per million or billion, not trillion like green peppers.

    The detection threshold for methoxypyrazines in green peppers—around 2–10 parts per trillion (ppt)—is exceptionally low and far lower than the detection thresholds for most flavor compounds in other foods. Here’s how it compares to some notable examples:

    Methoxypyrazines (Green Peppers)
    • Threshold: 2–10 ppt.
    • Remarkable for its grassy, herbaceous, and earthy profile.
    • Extremely potent, detectable in minuscule concentrations.

    Other Notable Food Compounds:
    1. Vanillin (Vanilla)
    • Threshold: ~2,000–4,000 parts per billion (ppb).
    • Sweet and aromatic, requiring much higher concentrations to be perceived compared to methoxypyrazines.
    2. Capsaicin (Chili Peppers)
    • Threshold: ~100–300 ppb.
    • Spicy and pungent, but still detectable in significantly higher amounts than methoxypyrazines.
    3. Isoamyl Acetate (Banana/Artificial Banana Flavor)
    • Threshold: ~1,000–2,000 ppb.
    • Fruity and sweet, often used in candy and drinks, but much less potent than green pepper compounds.
    4. Allyl Isothiocyanate (Mustard/Wasabi)
    • Threshold: ~1 ppb.
    • Known for its sharp, pungent heat, it has one of the lower thresholds among pungent compounds but is still far above methoxypyrazines.
    5. Geosmin (Earthy Flavor in Beets/Soil)
    • Threshold: ~5–10 ppt.
    • Similar in potency to methoxypyrazines, geosmin contributes earthy flavors and can be detected in extremely low concentrations.
    6. Diacetyl (Butter/Popcorn Aroma)
    • Threshold: ~0.05–1 ppm (parts per million).
    • Detectable at a much higher threshold compared to green peppers’ methoxypyrazines.
    7. Eugenol (Clove)
    • Threshold: ~20–50 ppb.
    • Spicy, warm, and aromatic, but less potent than methoxypyrazines.

    Comparison Overview:
    • Methoxypyrazines in green peppers are among the most potent food compounds, rivaling or exceeding the sensitivity thresholds of other highly potent compounds like geosmin or certain sulfur-containing compounds.
    • The detection threshold for methoxypyrazines is thousands to millions of times lower than that of most common food flavors like vanilla, banana, or butter.

    This explains why even a small amount of green pepper can dominate a dish, while much higher quantities of other flavor compounds are needed to have a similar impact.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      jon-nyc
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      #15

      100x+ more detectable than fucking hot peppers.

      Foul, foul weed.

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        Love green peppers, including on pizza. Funny how tastes can vary. I love black licorice too (in moderation) whereas I know 80% of the population hates it.

        Also @Copper i love the chunky Chili w/Beans option too. Usually have a few on standby on cold days where I want a quick chili lunch.

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        • 89th8 89th

          Love green peppers, including on pizza. Funny how tastes can vary. I love black licorice too (in moderation) whereas I know 80% of the population hates it.

          Also @Copper i love the chunky Chili w/Beans option too. Usually have a few on standby on cold days where I want a quick chili lunch.

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          @89th said in A cold day needs a hot soup.:

          I love black licorice too (in moderation)

          YES!

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            #18

            Me too.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • 89th8 Offline
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              Must be positively correlated with intelligence.

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              • MikM Offline
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                I like all forms of licorice.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  100x+ more detectable than fucking hot peppers.

                  Foul, foul weed.

                  MikM Offline
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                  @jon-nyc said in A cold day needs a hot soup.:

                  100x+ more detectable than fucking hot peppers.

                  Foul, foul weed.

                  Blasphemy. Hot peppers make cuisine sing.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    I like hot peppers. The foul weed is the puke green one.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      #23

                      How do the red and yellow peppers hold up on those flavor profiles?

                      The Brad

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                        LuFins Dad
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                        #24

                        Now I know what to serve when @jon-nyc comes for dinner…

                        alt text

                        The Brad

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                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                          How do the red and yellow peppers hold up on those flavor profiles?

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                          @LuFins-Dad said in A cold day needs a hot soup.:

                          How do the red and yellow peppers hold up on those flavor profiles?

                          The sweetness holds up fine. It's a great soup, and very adaptable to whatever you want to add. I might add a splash of sherry vinegar today and see how adding a little acid does.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            @LuFins-Dad said in A cold day needs a hot soup.:

                            How do the red and yellow peppers hold up on those flavor profiles?

                            The sweetness holds up fine. It's a great soup, and very adaptable to whatever you want to add. I might add a splash of sherry vinegar today and see how adding a little acid does.

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                            @Mik said in A cold day needs a hot soup.:

                            @LuFins-Dad said in A cold day needs a hot soup.:

                            How do the red and yellow peppers hold up on those flavor profiles?

                            The sweetness holds up fine. It's a great soup, and very adaptable to whatever you want to add. I might add a splash of sherry vinegar today and see how adding a little acid does.

                            Lol, I meant with @jon-nyc

                            The soup really does look good. Karla’s been heavy into soups lately, so I forwarded the recipe.

                            The Brad

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                            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                              How do the red and yellow peppers hold up on those flavor profiles?

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                              jon-nyc
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                              #27

                              @LuFins-Dad said in A cold day needs a hot soup.:

                              How do the red and yellow peppers hold up on those flavor profiles?

                              Nothing close. I put them in recipes quite often.

                              In fact I’ll substitute them in for the green ones.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                I didn't use actual green peppers, but three kinds were green - poblano, anaheim and serrano. As usual, the soup is better today, but the heat from the serrano has amplified. That's great for me, but others might not like it so much.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  I like hot peppers. The foul weed is the puke green one.

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                                  @jon-nyc said in A cold day needs a hot soup.:

                                  I like hot peppers. The foul weed is the puke green one.

                                  My mother would probably have put diced bell peppers in cornflakes if we had let her.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                    Now I know what to serve when @jon-nyc comes for dinner…

                                    alt text

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                                    @LuFins-Dad said in A cold day needs a hot soup.:

                                    Now I know what to serve when @jon-nyc comes for dinner…

                                    alt text

                                    Looks good to me. I like stuffed bell peppers, with either rice or cornbread stuffing.

                                    I also like stuffed sweet banana peppers.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      Making the Tricolor Pepper soup again today.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        Nice! Chilly here so I had chili.

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                                          They suggested a couple ways to make it richer, one being add a can of diced tomatoes, which I did not do. But they also talked about a little sour cream and Dijon mustard, so I tried it with one bowl. Like the sour cream. the mustard I think is unnecessary. Still a great soup.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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