Last night at prayer meeting...
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Our society is coarsening and it's washing down to the kids. Manners are the lubricant for society's gears.
I don't know if it's society in general, the plethora of single moms, two-earner families with no time for the kids, our litigious society which discourages the exercise of authority, or what.
But we have a problem and it's going to get worse.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Agreed. I think of that often as I raise my kids. I figure that’s really the only thing somewhat in my control - how my kids are raised. And yes I often shake my head at youth these days, as cliche as that is. I think also, in addition to hopefully being polite and educated, that it’ll also give them a competitive advantage in all aspects of life.
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Our society is coarsening and it's washing down to the kids. Manners are the lubricant for society's gears.
I don't know if it's society in general, the plethora of single moms, two-earner families with no time for the kids, our litigious society which discourages the exercise of authority, or what.
But we have a problem and it's going to get worse.
@Jolly said in Last night at prayer meeting...:
Our society is coarsening and it's washing down to the kids. Manners are the lubricant for society's gears.
Part of it is the people at the top are as bad or worse at setting an example.
People see the leaders acting terrible, and think it is okay.
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I dunno.
This nation has had more than one leader who behaved badly. I think the root cause does not reside in D.C. or in a state's capitol.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Agree with Jolly. In terms of what's to blame, probably all of it. The internet (aka the instant sharing of information, usually the bad more than good, the jealousy, the gloating, the lying, the boasting). The isolation from resorting to online interaction (irony isn't lost that I'm posting this on a forum). The deviation from enforced, dare I say, conservative cultural norms, to include religion, dating, marriage. Lack of respect, perhaps driven from a perceived lack of hope (how will I afford a house, the boomers took it all... excuse). I think one of the biggest impacts was the shift to the need to have two incomes to afford stuff... which also brings in a tough situation, mostly for women, who want (or are told to need) a career but also battle the conflict when kids come along... is their identity lost, is their mother identity found, which one wins out? Don't throw a tomato at me, but Warren actually summarizes the two income trap pretty well in this clip:
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Warren (that iteration, not the current pol) makes some decent points, although her current solutions are in error.
Our society has ratcheted up wants to such a high level, that single income families have a hard time affording a middle class lifestyle, especially in the falling wages for many jobs.
I'll use Jay as an example...
Jay was a young man with a high school education. He went to work for an auto parts store in the early 1960's, delivering parts. He worked his way up at the store, first stocking parts, then working the counter and lastly managing the parts counter.
In his early twenties, he married Elaine. The wedding was not elaborate and was performed at her parent's home. Jay had bought a small house about five miles out of town that needed a little work. Before the wedding, he and his dad had redone the bathroom and a bedroom, but the rest of the house still needed some work. Jay's honeymoon consisted of one night in a local hotel's honeymoon suite, then Jay and Elaine moved into their home.
Jay and his wife worked on the house as they could, and in six month's time they'd transformed the home back into the neat cottage it originally was. About that time, Elaine became pregnant with their first child. A couple of years later, she became pregnant again. Since they had a son and now a daughter, she had her tubes tied, as two children were what the could afford.
Elaine stayed home and raised the kids, Jay worked his job at the parts store. Elaine and the kids raised a garden and canned the surplus. She could sew and was a bit talented with crafts, and you'd see the evidence in their home in the form of a needlepoint wall hanging or a table centerpiece. I know Jay would occasionally do a small handyman job for a little extra cash...Something like hanging a door or painting a shed. They never had more than one car, until after both kids were out of high school, then Jay bought an old used pickup for a fishing truck.
The kids? Well, the boy became an electrician and the girl went to work at a local hospital and eventually became a medical coder. Both married and have children of their own.
Jay and Elaine? They lived in their first home their entire lives. After their daughter was born, they did add on a small bedroom and sometime when the kids were in school, Jay built a maybe 20x28 "catch-all" building with a side shed. But that was it.
They lived a good life. Their home was filled with love and laughter. They had family, friends and church. A lot of their entertainment was having friends over for Rook or dominoes, maybe hosting a fish fry or taking in a high school ball game. When the kids were small, I can remember Jay's mother keeping them, while Jay and Elaine did some shopping and maybe caught a movie or maybe dinner.
The point of this story? Jay and Elaine lived a good life on one income. A parts store counter-man income. No, it wasn't an extravagant life, they didn't have two new cars, didn't live in a McMansion and their clothes mostly came from Penney's or Sears.
Even with a $30/hour job, I'm not sure a man and his wife could live that same life today.
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@Mik said in Last night at prayer meeting...:
A single person is hard pressed to live on a $30 an hour job today.
You could do it down here, especially if you know how to " poor-boy" things. If you had really good benefits, a young man might even could get married...You'd have to have someone in the family give you an acre or two of land, then bust your butt and bank account to put in the utilities and the down payment...This is what $65K will buy you:
https://www.countryvillagemanufacturedhomes.com/2024-champion-prime-16x64-910-sq-ft-22-sn-0907a/
If a young man had some skills and some friends in the trades, I think you could tweak this into a $100k house ( less utilities, planning commission, etc.).
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I dunno.
This nation has had more than one leader who behaved badly. I think the root cause does not reside in D.C. or in a state's capitol.
@Jolly said in Last night at prayer meeting...:
This nation has had more than one leader who behaved badly. I think the root cause does not reside in D.C. or in a state's capitol.
Yes, but you didnt hear about it, or they were "smart" enough to keep it in private.
I think that things get "normalized" if we see public figures doing it, especially our "leaders".
I do agree however, that there is defnitely alot more for the reasons why this is happening.
