TDS is so strong

Mik

You should have one for a brother.

Jolly

Condolences.

Horace

@Horace said in TDS is so strong:

impact will be greatest in the people who hate him.

And those who have their businesses burned to the ground by those who hate him.

The best way to make sure that hate has no home in a commercial building, is to burn it down. Nothing can live in an incinerated building - including hate.

taiwan_girl

@89th said in TDS is so strong:

TDS is very strong. It's weird. Maybe my apathy is too much, but I sometimes look around and wonder why so many people pin their personal value to voting for someone they'll never meet and likely someone that will have no impact on their life.

Not so much that, but there is this belief that if "my" candidate wins, unicorns will run down the street passing out roses. But if "your" candidate wins, the world (yes, the world, not only the US) will stop to exist. One of the great things about the US is that there are enough check and balance to keep things kind of in the middle.

We have 250 years of history to show that this is not true.

89th

Agreed. In terms of very scientific statistics that cannot be disputed, I would say a good 95% of people voting aren't significantly impacted by who wins.

Copper

@89th said in TDS is so strong:

I would say a good 95% of people voting aren't significantly impacted by who wins.

A lot of people were impacted by Mr. Roosevelt's war.

Mr. Lincoln's too.

Jolly

@89th said in TDS is so strong:

Agreed. In terms of very scientific statistics that cannot be disputed, I would say a good 95% of people voting aren't significantly impacted by who wins.

DEI.
Gender Fluidity in Children
Third semester abortion.
Prison for religious objection.
Tax hike.

You voted for Kamala. You tell me...Would paying more taxes affect you? Maybe the school putting your little girl on puberty blockers, rendering her incapable of ever having children, might affect you. Being passed over for a job or gig because of a less talented person of the "right" gender or color...Would that affect you?

89th

Not really. And I didn't vote for Kamala. I don't think the President has that much influence over those legislative issues anyway. Votes for representatives, especially at the state and school board level, have much more of an impact, if any.

Horace

@89th said in TDS is so strong:

And I didn't vote for Kamala.

Who did you vote for?

89th

Libertarian (Chase Oliver). Doesn't really matter here in blue Minnesota, but I have a false dream that candidates will one day say "wow, there are a lot of votes in the Libertarian bucket that we could get if our candidates weren't such assholes"

89th

2012: 1.2 million votes
2016: 4.4 million votes (3.3% of all votes)
2020: 1.9 million votes

It's not much but in elections so close, there is a big collection of voters who could help play Kingmaker if the parties decided to provide better candidates. I suppose the opposite is true, Trump brings out more than 2 million extra voters by himself so perhaps it doesn't matter that much.

Jolly

@89th said in TDS is so strong:

Not really. And I didn't vote for Kamala. I don't think the President has that much influence over those legislative issues anyway. Votes for representatives, especially at the state and school board level, have much more of an impact, if any.

I know. But by not voting for Trump in a binary election, you did add to Kamala's votes.

Renauda

But by not voting for Trump in a binary election, you did add to Kamala's votes.

That makes it sound like 89 committed a mortal sin.

LuFins Dad

@Jolly said in TDS is so strong:

@89th said in TDS is so strong:

Not really. And I didn't vote for Kamala. I don't think the President has that much influence over those legislative issues anyway. Votes for representatives, especially at the state and school board level, have much more of an impact, if any.

I know. But by not voting for Trump in a binary election, you did add to Kamala's votes.

@89th is non-binary…

Seriously, Jolly? That’s a bullshit argument. Isaac has a voice, he used that voice. He is well versed in the issues and he made a different determination than you. That’s not only allowed, but you should celebrate it. That’s what living in a Democratic Republic is about.

Horace

It's not even logically correct anyway. In rank order of helping Harris win, the choices go 1) vote for Harris 2) vote for neither 3) vote for Trump. 2 is not the same as 1.

Jolly

@LuFins-Dad said in TDS is so strong:

@Jolly said in TDS is so strong:

@89th said in TDS is so strong:

Not really. And I didn't vote for Kamala. I don't think the President has that much influence over those legislative issues anyway. Votes for representatives, especially at the state and school board level, have much more of an impact, if any.

I know. But by not voting for Trump in a binary election, you did add to Kamala's votes.

@89th is non-binary…

Seriously, Jolly? That’s a bullshit argument. Isaac has a voice, he used that voice. He is well versed in the issues and he made a different determination than you. That’s not only allowed, but you should celebrate it. That’s what living in a Democratic Republic is about.

Not BS at all. We don't have a parliamentary system, whereby small factions can weird power through coalitions with other factions.

We have a two-party system. Anything else is window dressing and balm for the soul.

Now, why vote for Trump in a deep blue state? Last poll I saw for Minnesota was Harris +8. But...Both candidates are striving for two goals: A. A win in the electoral college, and B. A win of the popular vote. The first delivers the Presidency. The second can deliver a mandate.

That's why the third party vote is a throw-away vote.

LuFins Dad

It’s a vote. You don’t like it? So what?

LuFins Dad

Altogether, I should think that considering your assumption that 89th voted for Kamala, that you would consider a 3rd party vote as a win.

Jolly

@LuFins-Dad said in TDS is so strong:

Altogether, I should think that considering your assumption that 89th voted for Kamala, that you would consider a 3rd party vote as a win.

I knew 89th voted third party the day he voted.

I still stand by my interpretation. I don't think he would vote Kamala, given his politics.

Renauda

That's why the third party vote is a throw-away vote.

Regardless, it affords the enfranchised stakeholder the right to bitch about the present and any future perceived ineptitude of either Party’s nomination choice. Winner and loser.

I don’t care whether a person lives in a Westminster Parliamentary system or republic, franchised citizens who do not make an effort to cast a ballot, have no cause or right to complain about who and how they are governed.

The New Coffee Room

TDS is so strong