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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    LuFins Dad
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    #31

    Oh, FFS. That whole thing just made me not want to see either of the damn movies. Yeah, Paul wasn’t a hero. Yeah he made frigging dark choices, but couldn’t make the darkest choice since he wasn’t the real kwisatz haderach, but neither was he a villain, nor was Leto.

    But the colonization shit? FFS.

    I want my hand to colonize the back of his head.

    The Brad

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #32

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • 89th8 89th

        From the other “what are you watching thread”.

        Never read the books, but it seems to be a common number one all-time sci-fi listing.

        In short, I don’t know how anyone can watch that movie without subtitles, so many original terms and hard to hear. Otherwise I enjoyed the production quality and emersion into that world. Good music, visuals… I feel like I got dropped into an epic sci fi tale without knowing the previous context or the eventual future, but I heard Dune 2 is beyond impressive.

        ———-

        In addition, I feel like I’ve scratched the surface of a much much larger story. Similar feeling when I watched LOTR.

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        #33

        @89th said in Dune:

        From the other “what are you watching thread”.

        Never read the books, but it seems to be a common number one all-time sci-fi listing.

        In short, I don’t know how anyone can watch that movie without subtitles, so many original terms and hard to hear. Otherwise I enjoyed the production quality and emersion into that world. Good music, visuals… I feel like I got dropped into an epic sci fi tale without knowing the previous context or the eventual future, but I heard Dune 2 is beyond impressive.

        ———-

        In addition, I feel like I’ve scratched the surface of a much much larger story. Similar feeling when I watched LOTR.

        Watched Dune 2 last night. I'd say better than the first one, but similar... really enjoyed the immersive experience, I still feel like I'm scratching the surface of a much larger story, good sci-fi feel (visuals, music).

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        • 89th8 89th

          @89th said in Dune:

          From the other “what are you watching thread”.

          Never read the books, but it seems to be a common number one all-time sci-fi listing.

          In short, I don’t know how anyone can watch that movie without subtitles, so many original terms and hard to hear. Otherwise I enjoyed the production quality and emersion into that world. Good music, visuals… I feel like I got dropped into an epic sci fi tale without knowing the previous context or the eventual future, but I heard Dune 2 is beyond impressive.

          ———-

          In addition, I feel like I’ve scratched the surface of a much much larger story. Similar feeling when I watched LOTR.

          Watched Dune 2 last night. I'd say better than the first one, but similar... really enjoyed the immersive experience, I still feel like I'm scratching the surface of a much larger story, good sci-fi feel (visuals, music).

          George KG Offline
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          #34

          @89th said in Dune:

          I still feel like I'm scratching the surface of a much larger story

          You have no idea of how yuge the Duniverse is. I've read most of the prequel books, but only three of Herbert's original books.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • 89th8 Offline
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            89th
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            #35

            I was a little surprised the ending of the movie didn't really wrap things up... I guess a 3rd movie is in the works.

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            • 89th8 89th

              I was a little surprised the ending of the movie didn't really wrap things up... I guess a 3rd movie is in the works.

              George KG Offline
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              George K
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              #36

              @89th said in Dune:

              I was a little surprised the ending of the movie didn't really wrap things up... I guess a 3rd movie is in the works.

              Yes, there's a lot more to come - I wonder how they'll wrap it up. In another thread I bitched about a series of books I'm reading in which each book doesn't have an ending.

              Dune is sort of like that, but more satisfying. Paul marries Princess Irulan. Chani becomes his concubine, with whom he has children. He goes on to become a messianic figure, encouraged by the Fremen ("Free men of Arrakis") with interesting consequences.

              Like I said, I've not read all of Herbert's sequels. From what I've heard, they tend to get...weird. REALLY weird.

              Though the prequels co-written by his son Brian and Kevin Anderson get a lot of shade thrown on them, I've enjoyed them for some hard SF. I enjoyed the Harkonnen story, and how the house fell from honor to disgrace - the origin of the Harkonnen/Atreides feud. They explain why humans have such an aversion to "thinking machines."

              The upcoming series, "Dune: Prophecy" coming in November should be interesting. It should give a lot of backstory. It's set 10,000 years before Dune.

              Looking at the cast, you'll see names like Harkonnen, Corrino, Atreides....

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • 89th8 Offline
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                89th
                wrote on last edited by
                #37

                Good insights, George!

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  #38

                  Link to video

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • LuFins DadL Offline
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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #39

                    That was great!

                    The Brad

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
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                      #40

                      Premiers Nov 17.

                      So much new stuff to watch! Silo, Prophecy, Severance, For All Mankind (soon-ish)...

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        #41

                        Both Dune and Foundation were largely about politics and religion. Both classic. Been decades since I read them. I should probably revisit.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          George K
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                          #42

                          Paraphrasing Time Magazine's review of "Catch-22"

                          Apple TV's version of Foundation is not a bad series. Perhaps one day they'll make a series of Isaac Asimov's "Foundation."

                          Once you accept it for what it is - just taking Asimov's ideas and running with them - it's not bad. It's visually glorious, and the plots are mostly OK (though getting weird). Still fun.

                          Check out Silo. It's VERY good, and faithful to Hugh Howey's book so far.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            #43

                            Foundation as it is written would not make great TV. I listened to it on the way to Las Vegas last year. It’s really several cautionary tales with a common theme of intelligence defeating force. The Apple series is quite good tv despite its deviations.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • MikM Mik

                              Foundation as it is written would not make great TV. I listened to it on the way to Las Vegas last year. It’s really several cautionary tales with a common theme of intelligence defeating force. The Apple series is quite good tv despite its deviations.

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                              @Mik said in Dune:

                              Foundation as it is written would not make great TV.

                              I see your point. It's not great entertainment.

                              But, they said that Dune is unfilmable.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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