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A bad day for Trump

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  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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    taiwan_girl
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    #126

    And from the other side:

    Members of Congress were evacuated to Fort McNair when rioters violently breached the Capitol. Schumer could be seen in the video, which aired Monday on MSNBC, yelling at then-Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy over the whereabouts of the National Guard.

    “D.C. has requested the National Guard, and it’s been denied by DOD. I’d like to know a good f‑‑‑ing reason why it’s been denied,” Schumer said. “We need them fast. We’ve all had to, I’ve never seen anything like this. We’re like a third-world country here. We had to run and evacuate the Capitol.”

    Trump has long claimed, falsely, that he ordered the National Guard into Washington and that then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) stopped him. The claim has been undermined by Trump’s Cabinet members under oath.

    Later in the video, Schumer said he would move on to then-acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller to urge his case for deploying the Guard.

    “All right. I spoke to the secretary of the Army, and he’s given the full OK to give the National Guard. He said it was not done,” Schumer said. “I’m going to call up the secretary of Defense.”

    In a separate clip, the majority leader also pressed acting Attorney General Jeff Rosen on his actions that afternoon and urged him to get Trump to make the rioters go home.

    “Why don’t you get the president to tell them to leave the Capitol? Mr. Attorney General, in your law enforcement responsibility. A public statement, they should all leave,” Schumer said. “He is saying his tweet said we are for peace, law and order and order. Yeah. Why don’t you get him to make that statement? Would you do that?”

    https://news.yahoo.com/news/video-shows-schumer-fury-over-112535376.html

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      #127

      Trump did offer the NG. AFAIK, that's factual.

      OTOH, Pelosi did not request them at any time, even several days before the rally, knowing how big the crowd was going to be.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        Trump did offer the NG. AFAIK, that's factual.

        OTOH, Pelosi did not request them at any time, even several days before the rally, knowing how big the crowd was going to be.

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        89th
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        #128

        @Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:

        Trump did offer the NG. AFAIK, that's factual.

        From what I recall, Trump didn't offer the National Guard, but someone (Ornato?) overheard his chief of staff (Meadows?) told the DC Mayor on a phone call that "Trump is willing to ask for up to 10,000 guardsmen for the pro vs anti Trump crowds", and at that time it was specific to the pro/anti Trump crowds at his temper tantrum protest speech, not for Capitol Building security? Either way... when the Capitol was breached, I believe Trump was calling Congressmen to slow the vote instead of calling in troops. I could be wrong, I haven't followed the details too closely (not sarcasm).

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          Jolly
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          #129

          Trump can offer. The Capitol Police can ask.

          At the end of the day, it's the Speaker's decision that carries the most weight, AFAIK.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • HoraceH Offline
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            Horace
            wrote on last edited by
            #130

            To me, the glee with which the left watched the "existential threat" of january 6, and the political capital it has mined and will continue to mine from it, will always be the elephant in the room when we consider whether due diligence was exercised to ensure it wouldn't happen.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #131

              https://thefederalist.com/2022/07/26/exclusive-in-private-cassidy-hutchinson-joked-about-riot-called-j6-committee-phony-praised-trump-before-changing-story/

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
                wrote on last edited by
                #132

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                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • HoraceH Offline
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                  Horace
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                  #133

                  Cheney has been appearing alongside Kamala on the campaign trail. Let's see if she selflessly sacrificed her all-but-anonymous Wyoming senate seat for more face time in front of the American people than she could have ever dreamed of, and then a cabinet position in a Harris administration.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #134

                    House seat.

                    Wyoming has two senators, one congressman (or that used to be, things are growing out there).

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • HoraceH Offline
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                      Horace
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #135

                      Right, even more anonymous that way.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • 89th8 Offline
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                        89th
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #136

                        If America First Legal thinks Cheney is worth an ethic violation letter, boy do I have someone who "Trumps" her! Reminds me of some folks focusing on whether Walz misspoke and finding a few twigs of truth, missing the 30,573-tree Trump forest around them!

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                        • 89th8 89th

                          If America First Legal thinks Cheney is worth an ethic violation letter, boy do I have someone who "Trumps" her! Reminds me of some folks focusing on whether Walz misspoke and finding a few twigs of truth, missing the 30,573-tree Trump forest around them!

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                          #137

                          @89th said in A bad day for Trump:

                          If America First Legal thinks Cheney is worth an ethic violation letter, boy do I have someone who "Trumps" her! Reminds me of some folks focusing on whether Walz misspoke and finding a few twigs of truth, missing the 30,573-tree Trump forest around them!

                          Walz misspoke? Maybe you haven't seen the internet lately, but everybody is calling him Tim "big fat liar" Walz these days. Pretty much can't even find anybody who isn't calling him that. Do you really think Tim "big fat liar" Walz isn't a big fat liar? Why would everybody be calling him that? Do you think someone just invented it? Or is he actually a big fat liar? Tim "big fat liar" Walz is probably the biggest fattest liar ever. It's really sad that he's the vice president of Kamala "I have a big fat liar for a vice president" Harris.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            #138

                            Clearly you have never been to Minnesota. Big Fat Liar is the nickname of the best hotdish in town.

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                              If America First Legal thinks Cheney is worth an ethic violation letter, boy do I have someone who "Trumps" her! Reminds me of some folks focusing on whether Walz misspoke and finding a few twigs of truth, missing the 30,573-tree Trump forest around them!

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                              George K
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                              #139

                              @89th said in A bad day for Trump:

                              If America First Legal thinks Cheney is worth an ethic violation letter, boy do I have someone who "Trumps" her!

                              Well, take that person to court! Wait..

                              But for a more detailed description:

                              https://jonathanturley.org/2024/10/16/liz-cheney-under-fire-for-allegedly-improper-contacts-with-cassidy-hutchinson/

                              Under Rule 4.2 of the Rules of Professional Conduct, “a lawyer shall not communicate or cause another to communicate about the subject of the representation with a person known to be represented by another lawyer in the matter, unless the lawyer has the prior consent of the lawyer representing such other person or is authorized by law or a court order to do so.”

                              Cheney is a D.C. licensed lawyer.

                              At the outset, in my view, Cheney was acting as a member of Congress in this matter. That has always been a rather grey area for lawyers who are also members of Congress. The bar has taken a broad view of the need for lawyers to adhere to these ethical standards. However, it is not clear politically or ethically if the Bar officials would be inclined to pursue Cheney, who has been lionized in Washington for her role in the investigation.

                              Yet, the record does indicate that Cheney was not just aware of the represented status but the policy of the House to respect the rules governing represented parties. In one message Griffin tells Hutchinson, “Her one concern was so long ad [sic] you have counsel, she can’t really ethically talk to you without him.”

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • 89th8 89th

                                If America First Legal thinks Cheney is worth an ethic violation letter, boy do I have someone who "Trumps" her! Reminds me of some folks focusing on whether Walz misspoke and finding a few twigs of truth, missing the 30,573-tree Trump forest around them!

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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #140

                                @89th said in A bad day for Trump:

                                some folks focusing on whether Walz misspoke

                                You mean like CNN?

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  89th
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                                  #141

                                  I mean Trump did lose the most, like over a million. But you could also say he gained the most.

                                  Thanks Covid shut-down! LOL

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                                    Horace
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                                    #142

                                    What a huge shock that Tim "I'm a big fat liar" Walz is lying. It's literally right there in his name, that he is a liar. So I am not shocked that he is lying. I would be more shocked if he wasn't lying. That is how much of a liar he is. Mouth moving? Lies. That is Tim "I'm a big fat liar" for you. It's all over the internet now. Nowhere to hide, nowhere to pretend to ever tell the truth.

                                    It breaks my heart.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      What a huge shock that Tim "I'm a big fat liar" Walz is lying. It's literally right there in his name, that he is a liar. So I am not shocked that he is lying. I would be more shocked if he wasn't lying. That is how much of a liar he is. Mouth moving? Lies. That is Tim "I'm a big fat liar" for you. It's all over the internet now. Nowhere to hide, nowhere to pretend to ever tell the truth.

                                      It breaks my heart.

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                                      George K
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                                      #143

                                      @Horace said in A bad day for Trump:

                                      It breaks my heart.

                                      Take solace in the fact that he donned a baseball cap and served lunch at a school. It's not much of a mitigation, but it's a start.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • HoraceH Horace

                                        What a huge shock that Tim "I'm a big fat liar" Walz is lying. It's literally right there in his name, that he is a liar. So I am not shocked that he is lying. I would be more shocked if he wasn't lying. That is how much of a liar he is. Mouth moving? Lies. That is Tim "I'm a big fat liar" for you. It's all over the internet now. Nowhere to hide, nowhere to pretend to ever tell the truth.

                                        It breaks my heart.

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                                        89th
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                                        #144

                                        @Horace said in A bad day for Trump:

                                        What a huge shock that Tim "I'm a big fat liar" Walz is lying. It's literally right there in his name, that he is a liar. So I am not shocked that he is lying. I would be more shocked if he wasn't lying. That is how much of a liar he is. Mouth moving? Lies. That is Tim "I'm a big fat liar" for you. It's all over the internet now. Nowhere to hide, nowhere to pretend to ever tell the truth.

                                        It breaks my heart.

                                        mmm hotdish

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