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Biden DOJ sues Virginia

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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    LuFins Dad
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    #7

    The Federal Law states you can’t remove voters from the rolls within 90 Days of the Election. I suppose the counter argument is these aren’t voters being removed, it’s illegal for them to be voters, therefore the 90 days is inapplicable.

    The question is why does the Biden DoJ want to keep noncitizens on the voter rolls when they can’t vote?

    The Brad

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    • jon-nycJ Online
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      jon-nyc
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      #8

      That’s where I think the lie is. The method probably gets a lot of baby with the bathwater.

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Bad optics.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          That’s where I think the lie is. The method probably gets a lot of baby with the bathwater.

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          jon-nyc
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          @jon-nyc said in Biden DOJ sues Virginia:

          That’s where I think the lie is. The method probably gets a lot of baby with the bathwater.

          Which is the point, of course.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
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            #11

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • HoraceH Offline
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              seems to be some significant wishcasting that this process is so messy that lots of legal voters were removed. Maybe Youngkin is that dumb and brazen, and maybe he’s doubling down publicly in the face of a lawsuit where everything will be discoverable down to the very last name removed from the rolls, and their citizenship status. Maybe he’s that dumb and brazen. Maybe he had reason to believe the citizen voters removed by this process would have voted in ways he doesn’t like. Maybe. Or maybe this was actually just a removal of a bunch of people who aren’t allowed to vote. I know where I’d put my money.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • MikM Away
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                Mik
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                Yep. It's all about the criteria. Here it is. Looks right to me.

                https://www.newsweek.com/thousands-non-citizen-voters-discovered-governor-1937025

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • HoraceH Offline
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                  I wonder what the Venn overlap is between people who giggle and sneer at Trump supporters who theorize about election shenanigans, and people who take seriously this theory about Youngkin engaging in election shenanigans where he intends to remove legal voters. 100% overlap? 99.9999%? Conservatively, 99.9%%

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    jon-nyc
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                    #15

                    As I suspected, tons of false positives. There’s a good reason you don’t do this right before an election.

                    You go, DoJ.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • George KG Offline
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                      #16

                      Without a passport or birth certificate, how do you prove citizenship?

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • jon-nycJ Online
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                        jon-nyc
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                        #17

                        Those are the only two docs I’m aware of that are available to all.

                        Honestly the federal law makes perfect sense. Sure, we need to go through exercises to keep voter rolls up to date and clean. But those processes are going to have false positives, some times a lot of them. Can’t be doing that right before an election.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          As I suspected, tons of false positives. There’s a good reason you don’t do this right before an election.

                          You go, DoJ.

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                          @jon-nyc said in Biden DOJ sues Virginia:

                          As I suspected, tons of false positives. There’s a good reason you don’t do this right before an election.

                          lol "tons". Never stated was how many non-citizens were removed successfully from the rolls, through this process. Stated clearly was the process by which any mistake could be rectified, a process which was entirely legal and limited to a time frame before the election. Theories about Youngkin doing this in order to keep legal voters from voting, remain the domain of conspiracy theorist imbeciles. His motivation is clearly to clean up the rolls.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            jon-nyc
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                            Had he done this in June I’d agree with you. Rectification takes time. Might require getting a copy of your birth certificate. 90 days is totally reasonable, youngkin broke the law and will lose.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                            • MikM Away
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                              Mik
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                              I think you are right about the outcome but I wonder two things. First, when did these registrants appear on the rolls, and second, how many of those end up voting.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                Had he done this in June I’d agree with you. Rectification takes time. Might require getting a copy of your birth certificate. 90 days is totally reasonable, youngkin broke the law and will lose.

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                                @jon-nyc said in Biden DOJ sues Virginia:

                                Had he done this in June I’d agree with you. Rectification takes time. Might require getting a copy of your birth certificate. 90 days is totally reasonable, youngkin broke the law and will lose.

                                Whether he broke the law depends on the wording of the federal law which defines, in precise legalese, the actions prohibited within 90 days of an election. Is it really illegal to remove illegal voters from the rolls within 90 days of an election? I doubt it. Is it illegal to employ any process intended to remove illegals but which may remove others in error? We will let the courts decide, but it is obviously not a done deal until that decision is made.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  Without a passport or birth certificate, how do you prove citizenship?

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                                  @George-K said in Biden DOJ sues Virginia:

                                  Without a passport or birth certificate, how do you prove citizenship?

                                  A certificate of live birth, Mr. Obama for example.

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    Had he done this in June I’d agree with you. Rectification takes time. Might require getting a copy of your birth certificate. 90 days is totally reasonable, youngkin broke the law and will lose.

                                    LuFins DadL Offline
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                                    LuFins Dad
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                                    @jon-nyc said in Biden DOJ sues Virginia:

                                    Had he done this in June I’d agree with you. Rectification takes time. Might require getting a copy of your birth certificate. 90 days is totally reasonable, youngkin broke the law and will lose.

                                    Evidently this has been going on for months. The fact that the guy has claimed he has proven his citizenship 5 times points to the fact that this goes back to before the 90 day window.

                                    The Brad

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      #24

                                      Sure that’s fine. You just have to stop 90 days before the election. And they didn’t.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                        As is usually the case in politics, both sides do stupid stuff trying to prove they are the less stupid.

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          Sure that’s fine. You just have to stop 90 days before the election. And they didn’t.

                                          George KG Offline
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                                          @jon-nyc said in Biden DOJ sues Virginia:

                                          Sure that’s fine. You just have to stop 90 days before the election. And they didn’t.

                                          Again...

                                          https://jonathanturley.org/2024/10/22/the-mark-of-kaine-the-biden-administration-under-fire-for-virginia-lawsuit-over-non-citizen-voter-removals/

                                          Kaine’s administration specifically asked the Justice Department to determine if the law was compliant with federal laws, including an express inquiry about the NVRA.

                                          On December 16, 2006, the Justice Department completed its review and found no objections to the Virginia law though it added that it reserves the right to object in the future to any such laws.

                                          Gov. Youngkin further told Fox News that past governors continued to use the law within the 90 days period without a peep of objection from the Justice Department.

                                          Is Youngkin lying?

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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