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  • AxtremusA Axtremus

    @LuFins-Dad said in The Exploding Pagers:

    ... no missile attack should ever be excused away because it was unsuccessful.

    If the attack is "just for show", then the retaliation may also be likewise. Each "look good" domestically, but World War III is avoided anyway.

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    #190

    @Axtremus said in The Exploding Pagers:

    @LuFins-Dad said in The Exploding Pagers:

    ... no missile attack should ever be excused away because it was unsuccessful.

    If the attack is "just for show", then the retaliation may also be likewise. Each "look good" domestically, but World War III is avoided anyway.

    I don't see any evidence that Israel does for show operations. I don't think it will be anything as crude as lobbing missiles, but much more targeted.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      Correction. One casualty. A Palestinian in the West Bank.

      ***=NSFW content***

      click to show

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        So... we now know where Baghdad Bob went after Iraq fell.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          #193

          From SCUD to THUD?

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            Again, I am astonished that the moderators on last night’s debate asked if the candidates would advise Israel against a preemptive strike against Iran. Preemptive? They’ve now had 2 separate strikes launched against them.

            The Brad

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            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

              Again, I am astonished that the moderators on last night’s debate asked if the candidates would advise Israel against a preemptive strike against Iran. Preemptive? They’ve now had 2 separate strikes launched against them.

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              @LuFins-Dad UNfortunately (at least from the transcript I read), neither was willing to answer with a yes or no.

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                Words like 'preemptive' and 'unprovoked' should simply never be used in relation to the Middle East.

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                  @LuFins-Dad UNfortunately (at least from the transcript I read), neither was willing to answer with a yes or no.

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                  @taiwan_girl

                  Watch. The transcript never reveals everything about human interaction.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    Words like 'preemptive' and 'unprovoked' should simply never be used in relation to the Middle East.

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                    @jon-nyc said in The Exploding Pagers:

                    Words like 'preemptive' and 'unprovoked' should simply never be used in relation to the Middle East.

                    Yep. Those trains left the station a thousand years ago.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      The only way it would be appropriate if heavily qualified, like “a preemptive strike on their nuclear program”. Which would be a reasonable question for them both.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                        And a reasonable action, IMO. They have ballistic missiles and it's only a matter of time before they put a nuke on one.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          Joe does not approve. I doubt Bibi cares. It could be just a show too. "Oh, I opposed that strike" wink wink.

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/biden-states-which-response-from-israel-to-iran-s-strike-us-will-not-approve/ar-AA1rBO77?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=b098a54595f6410880dbb48949228919&ei=28

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            jon-nyc
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                            Lots of fun detail, worth a read if you can get around the paywall.

                            https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/05/israel-mossad-hezbollah-pagers-nasrallah/

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                                More deets:

                                And the best picture:

                                image.jpeg

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  I wonder what the cost of manufacturing, marketing, and distributing those pagers and walkie-talkies were vs how much Israel was actually paid by Hamas…

                                  The Brad

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                                    I mean, if Israel actually made money out of the deal, I might just have to emigrate…

                                    The Brad

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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      I wonder what the cost of manufacturing, marketing, and distributing those pagers and walkie-talkies were vs how much Israel was actually paid by Hamas…

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                                      @LuFins-Dad said in The Exploding Pagers:

                                      I wonder what the cost of manufacturing, marketing, and distributing those pagers and walkie-talkies were vs how much Israel was actually paid by Hamas…

                                      On that metric they probably made a profit but if you factor in planning and engineering (ie, all the Mossad time) they definitely did not, though that’s hardly relevant. This was a national security operation not a business pursuit.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        @LuFins-Dad said in The Exploding Pagers:

                                        I wonder what the cost of manufacturing, marketing, and distributing those pagers and walkie-talkies were vs how much Israel was actually paid by Hamas…

                                        On that metric they probably made a profit but if you factor in planning and engineering (ie, all the Mossad time) they definitely did not, though that’s hardly relevant. This was a national security operation not a business pursuit.

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                                        @jon-nyc said in The Exploding Pagers:

                                        @LuFins-Dad said in The Exploding Pagers:

                                        I wonder what the cost of manufacturing, marketing, and distributing those pagers and walkie-talkies were vs how much Israel was actually paid by Hamas…

                                        On that metric they probably made a profit but if you factor in planning and engineering (ie, all the Mossad time) they definitely did not, though that’s hardly relevant. This was a national security operation not a business pursuit.

                                        There's no way no one over there saw the potential irony, though. I mean just for starters you have terrorists paying to get taken out.

                                        Please love yourself.

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          @LuFins-Dad said in The Exploding Pagers:

                                          I wonder what the cost of manufacturing, marketing, and distributing those pagers and walkie-talkies were vs how much Israel was actually paid by Hamas…

                                          On that metric they probably made a profit but if you factor in planning and engineering (ie, all the Mossad time) they definitely did not, though that’s hardly relevant. This was a national security operation not a business pursuit.

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                                          @jon-nyc said in The Exploding Pagers:

                                          @LuFins-Dad said in The Exploding Pagers:

                                          I wonder what the cost of manufacturing, marketing, and distributing those pagers and walkie-talkies were vs how much Israel was actually paid by Hamas…

                                          On that metric they probably made a profit but if you factor in planning and engineering (ie, all the Mossad time) they definitely did not, though that’s hardly relevant. This was a national security operation not a business pursuit.

                                          The planning and engineering is a wash as those employees doing the planning and engineering would still have been paid sitting on their asses saying “drone strike”

                                          Dear god, I think I might need to move to Israel.

                                          The Brad

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