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Gov DeWine takes exception

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    wrote on last edited by
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    Again, if not for Trump's comment, would the country even know about Springfield?

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • George KG George K

      @jon-nyc said in Gov DeWine takes exception:

      He recognizes there are problems. He just doesn’t think that demonizing an entire ethnic group is the way to address it.

      https://apnews.com/article/springfield-ohio-haitian-immigrants-threats-key-details-7594bae869fb05dc6f106098409418cc

      City officials acknowledge growing pains from the influx of some 15,000 Haitian immigrants..

      Springfield Mayor Rob Rue has said the immigrant influx is straining police, hospitals and schools. He has also criticized the federal government, saying the city asked for help months ago. But he called on national leaders Tuesday to “temper their words and speak truth.”

      https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/19/us/springfield-ohio-haitians-immigration-cec/index.html

      Mayor Rob Rue told CNN the city’s population has grown about 25% over the past three years, in part due to the arrival of Haitian immigrants.

      Between 12,000 and 15,000 immigrants are living in Clark County, which includes Springfield, according to estimates on the city’s website. Of that group, an estimated 10,000-12,000 are Haitian, according to a July presentation from the county’s health commissioner, who cited data from school and social services officials.

      The 2020 Census estimated about 60,000 people were living in Springfield, and 2022 data from the American Community Survey indicated about 2% of the city’s population was born outside the US.

      How many of those 12-15K are working in the factories to keep them open? In a town that originally had 60K people, I imagine blue-collar factory jobs were not that plentiful. Certainly not 12K plentiful.

      Springfield has more than triple the crime rate of the rest of Ohio overall. Violent crime is 4 times greater. If you look at the graph I posted in another thread, there's a moment when the crime rates surged.

      LuFins DadL Offline
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      LuFins Dad
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      @George-K said in Gov DeWine takes exception:

      @jon-nyc said in Gov DeWine takes exception:

      He recognizes there are problems. He just doesn’t think that demonizing an entire ethnic group is the way to address it.

      https://apnews.com/article/springfield-ohio-haitian-immigrants-threats-key-details-7594bae869fb05dc6f106098409418cc

      City officials acknowledge growing pains from the influx of some 15,000 Haitian immigrants..

      Springfield Mayor Rob Rue has said the immigrant influx is straining police, hospitals and schools. He has also criticized the federal government, saying the city asked for help months ago. But he called on national leaders Tuesday to “temper their words and speak truth.”

      https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/19/us/springfield-ohio-haitians-immigration-cec/index.html

      Mayor Rob Rue told CNN the city’s population has grown about 25% over the past three years, in part due to the arrival of Haitian immigrants.

      Between 12,000 and 15,000 immigrants are living in Clark County, which includes Springfield, according to estimates on the city’s website. Of that group, an estimated 10,000-12,000 are Haitian, according to a July presentation from the county’s health commissioner, who cited data from school and social services officials.

      The 2020 Census estimated about 60,000 people were living in Springfield, and 2022 data from the American Community Survey indicated about 2% of the city’s population was born outside the US.

      How many of those 12-15K are working in the factories to keep them open? In a town that originally had 60K people, I imagine blue-collar factory jobs were not that plentiful. Certainly not 12K plentiful.

      Springfield has more than triple the crime rate of the rest of Ohio overall. Violent crime is 4 times greater. If you look at the graph I posted in another thread, there's a moment when the crime rates surged.

      George, did you read the Asra Nomani article I posted yesterday? Springfield/Charleroi/TPS Labor is about to become THE story of post-COVID economy.

      The Brad

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      • HoraceH Offline
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        #10

        Dewine's opinion piece is paywalled.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • HoraceH Horace

          Dewine's opinion piece is paywalled.

          LuFins DadL Offline
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          @Horace said in Gov DeWine takes exception:

          Dewine's opinion piece is paywalled.

          Yeah, I was kind of surprised that he didn’t publish it in an Ohio paper.

          The Brad

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            Maybe he has national political ambitions.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/20/opinion/springfield-haitian-migrants-ohio.html

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              @jon-nyc said in Gov DeWine takes exception:

              https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/20/opinion/springfield-haitian-migrants-ohio.html

              DeWine:

              Bomb threats — all hoaxes — continue and temporarily closed at least two schools, put the hospital on lockdown and shuttered City Hall. The two local colleges have gone remote. I have posted Ohio Highway Patrol troopers in each school building in Springfield so the schools can remain open, teachers and children can feel safe and students can continue to learn. ...

              As a supporter of former President Donald Trump and Senator JD Vance, I am saddened by how they and others continue to repeat claims that lack evidence and disparage the legal migrants living in Springfield. This rhetoric hurts the city and its people, and it hurts those who have spent their lives there.

              Trump and Vance are disappointing, and irresponsible. Not presidential material, not commander-in-chief material.

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                jon-nyc
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                #14

                Duh.

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  @jon-nyc said in Gov DeWine takes exception:

                  https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/20/opinion/springfield-haitian-migrants-ohio.html

                  DeWine:

                  Bomb threats — all hoaxes — continue and temporarily closed at least two schools, put the hospital on lockdown and shuttered City Hall. The two local colleges have gone remote. I have posted Ohio Highway Patrol troopers in each school building in Springfield so the schools can remain open, teachers and children can feel safe and students can continue to learn. ...

                  As a supporter of former President Donald Trump and Senator JD Vance, I am saddened by how they and others continue to repeat claims that lack evidence and disparage the legal migrants living in Springfield. This rhetoric hurts the city and its people, and it hurts those who have spent their lives there.

                  Trump and Vance are disappointing, and irresponsible. Not presidential material, not commander-in-chief material.

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                  @Axtremus said in Gov DeWine takes exception:

                  @jon-nyc said in Gov DeWine takes exception:

                  https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/20/opinion/springfield-haitian-migrants-ohio.html

                  DeWine:

                  Bomb threats — all hoaxes — continue and temporarily closed at least two schools, put the hospital on lockdown and shuttered City Hall. The two local colleges have gone remote. I have posted Ohio Highway Patrol troopers in each school building in Springfield so the schools can remain open, teachers and children can feel safe and students can continue to learn. ...

                  As a supporter of former President Donald Trump and Senator JD Vance, I am saddened by how they and others continue to repeat claims that lack evidence and disparage the legal migrants living in Springfield. This rhetoric hurts the city and its people, and it hurts those who have spent their lives there.

                  Trump and Vance are disappointing, and irresponsible. Not presidential material, not commander-in-chief material.

                  I agree entirely. Too bad the other option is worse.

                  The Brad

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                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                    @jon-nyc said in Gov DeWine takes exception:

                    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/20/opinion/springfield-haitian-migrants-ohio.html

                    DeWine:

                    Bomb threats — all hoaxes — continue and temporarily closed at least two schools, put the hospital on lockdown and shuttered City Hall. The two local colleges have gone remote. I have posted Ohio Highway Patrol troopers in each school building in Springfield so the schools can remain open, teachers and children can feel safe and students can continue to learn. ...

                    As a supporter of former President Donald Trump and Senator JD Vance, I am saddened by how they and others continue to repeat claims that lack evidence and disparage the legal migrants living in Springfield. This rhetoric hurts the city and its people, and it hurts those who have spent their lives there.

                    Trump and Vance are disappointing, and irresponsible. Not presidential material, not commander-in-chief material.

                    CopperC Offline
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                    @Axtremus said in Gov DeWine takes exception:

                    Not presidential material, not commander-in-chief material.

                    That's not the question is it?

                    What sort of material are the alternatives?

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                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                      They’re all cut of whole cloth.

                      Elbows up!

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