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  • 89th8 Offline
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    89th
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    Great news, I really expected the opposite when I opened this thread!

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
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      #52

      Thanks everybody!

      Found this online:

      If you have an older large-breed dog with a splenic mass that has ruptured, the likelihood of this being a benign situation is very low.

      Maybe he got luckier than the 33% chance we were cited.

      George, the tumor was a hematoma.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • HoraceH Horace

        Thanks everybody!

        Found this online:

        If you have an older large-breed dog with a splenic mass that has ruptured, the likelihood of this being a benign situation is very low.

        Maybe he got luckier than the 33% chance we were cited.

        George, the tumor was a hematoma.

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        @Horace said in Doggie end of life decisions:

        George, the tumor was a hematoma.

        What???

        How does that happen? What was the source/cause of bleeding? Trauma? Contained aneurysm?

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • George KG George K

          @Horace said in Doggie end of life decisions:

          George, the tumor was a hematoma.

          What???

          How does that happen? What was the source/cause of bleeding? Trauma? Contained aneurysm?

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          Horace
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          #54

          @George-K said in Doggie end of life decisions:

          @Horace said in Doggie end of life decisions:

          George, the tumor was a hematoma.

          What???

          How does that happen? What was the source/cause of bleeding? Trauma? Contained aneurysm?

          I don't know. I will talk to my regular vet about it in his next appointment, but I expect they won't know either. Hematoma is the most common form of non-cancer splenic masses in dogs. I've been doing my own research.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • HoraceH Offline
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            Horace
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            Education is extremely important.

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            • HoraceH Offline
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              Horace
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              #56

              Pretty much what I thought. Extramedullary hematopoiesis and hemosiderosis. Pretty obvious actually, once you do your own research.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                Doctor Phibes
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                #57

                That's great news, H. Very glad for you.

                I was only joking

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                • ? Offline
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                  @Horace

                  That's the best news I've heard today. So happy for you and your pup - may you have many more years together!

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Wow. If it had burst you would have been in a bad, bad situation. Glad it was found earlier.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • MikM Mik

                      Wow. If it had burst you would have been in a bad, bad situation. Glad it was found earlier.

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                      @Mik said in Doggie end of life decisions:

                      Wow. If it had burst you would have been in a bad, bad situation. Glad it was found earlier.

                      Thanks, everybody. Mik, it did burst. The emergency room folks were surprised he survived. He was bleeding internally overnight before we took him in. His tongue and gums were pale, and he could barely stand.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        Then double wow. You're all lucky.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          Yeah I think so. I saw the wound on the tumor where it split, it was about two inches wide. Maybe a little bit larger and he'd have bled out. As it was, he was game enough to jump up into the car to make it to the vet that morning, but when we got inside, he was done moving and had to be taken into the examination room on a stretcher. That was the $500 visit before the $11000 visit to the ER. We'd already had an appt that morning for his leg fracture. Note sure what would have happened if we hadn't had that appt, I guess we would have taken him straight to an emergency vet though. He was obviously very sick.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            Got a pupdate for us, @Horace ?

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                            • HoraceH Offline
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                              Horace
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                              He's good, thanks for asking, wtg. Back to his old self. Never knew how close he came.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                Dogs are lucky. They don’t contemplate their own mortality, although I think they have instinctual awareness on some level.

                                Q

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                • HoraceH Horace

                                  He's good, thanks for asking, wtg. Back to his old self. Never knew how close he came.

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                                  @Horace said in Doggie end of life decisions:

                                  He's good, thanks for asking, wtg. Back to his old self. Never knew how close he came.

                                  You ain't whistlin' Dixie. I showed my vet the photos that you posted of the spleen and the path report. His comment: "Nice to see dog dodged a bullet not often we get a benign spleen"

                                  May he and you live long and prosper!

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                                    @Horace said in Doggie end of life decisions:

                                    He's good, thanks for asking, wtg. Back to his old self. Never knew how close he came.

                                    You ain't whistlin' Dixie. I showed my vet the photos that you posted of the spleen and the path report. His comment: "Nice to see dog dodged a bullet not often we get a benign spleen"

                                    May he and you live long and prosper!

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                                    @wtg said in Doggie end of life decisions:

                                    @Horace said in Doggie end of life decisions:

                                    He's good, thanks for asking, wtg. Back to his old self. Never knew how close he came.

                                    You ain't whistlin' Dixie. I showed my vet the photos that you posted of the spleen and the path report. His comment: "Nice to see dog dodged a bullet not often we get a benign spleen"

                                    May he and you live long and prosper!

                                    👍

                                    I let him know his case is world famous. He played it cool, like of course his case is world famous.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      He died suddenly this morning. He seemed a little sluggish last night on his walk, but didn't seem bad. This morning when I woke up he was normal, eating treats. He sat next to me in my office, then left randomly, as he does. An hour later I found him tucked in a corner where he's never been, behind an exercise bike. Breathing very heavily. He'd evacuated his bowels and his bladder. I yelled his name and he moved his head towards me, but within a few minutes he was gone. Carried him to the car and to the local vet. I'll get his ashes in a cherry box in a few days.

                                      His prior brush prepared me for this, so it's not as bad as it would have been if this had happened before the spleen thing. I'm still glad we did what we could, and I'm glad this was relatively sudden, and that he was comfortable.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        I'm so sorry, Horace. But you gave him a fine life, full of love, and you did not abandon him at the end. That's the best we can do. It's a great injustice that such wonderful creatures have such a short lifespan.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • HoraceH Horace

                                          He died suddenly this morning. He seemed a little sluggish last night on his walk, but didn't seem bad. This morning when I woke up he was normal, eating treats. He sat next to me in my office, then left randomly, as he does. An hour later I found him tucked in a corner where he's never been, behind an exercise bike. Breathing very heavily. He'd evacuated his bowels and his bladder. I yelled his name and he moved his head towards me, but within a few minutes he was gone. Carried him to the car and to the local vet. I'll get his ashes in a cherry box in a few days.

                                          His prior brush prepared me for this, so it's not as bad as it would have been if this had happened before the spleen thing. I'm still glad we did what we could, and I'm glad this was relatively sudden, and that he was comfortable.

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                                          @Horace said in Doggie end of life decisions:

                                          He died suddenly this morning. He seemed a little sluggish last night on his walk, but didn't seem bad. This morning when I woke up he was normal, eating treats. He sat next to me in my office, then left randomly, as he does. An hour later I found him tucked in a corner where he's never been, behind an exercise bike. Breathing very heavily. He'd evacuated his bowels and his bladder. I yelled his name and he moved his head towards me, but within a few minutes he was gone. Carried him to the car and to the local vet. I'll get his ashes in a cherry box in a few days.

                                          His prior brush prepared me for this, so it's not as bad as it would have been if this had happened before the spleen thing. I'm still glad we did what we could, and I'm glad this was relatively sudden, and that he was comfortable.

                                          Fuck. I'm really very sorry, Horace.

                                          Please love yourself.

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