And they ain't come back.
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The truth is we do not need any more schools, at least in the aggregate, than we have today. In fact, we should probably already be closing some schools. Certainly, there will be localities where there is still growth and which will need to build some new schools. The exodus from cities to the suburbs and exurbs is an example. But even in those areas, the demographic reality will quickly eliminate the need for any more expansion.
Agree, especially in big cities. I think that @George-K has posted about the Chicago schools, which have an increase of teachers even as the students fall.
Second, the stagnant enrollments are certainly inconsistent with the immigration hawks’ narrative that children of illegal immigrants are flooding our public schools.
Not too surprised about that.
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@taiwan_girl said in And they ain't come back.:
.Second, the stagnant enrollments are certainly inconsistent with the immigration hawks’ narrative that children of illegal immigrants are flooding our public schools.
Not too surprised about that.
Well, you’re both wrong, then. The fact that school enrollment is stagnant is actually very damning concerning illegal migration. The fact is that the US was supposed to have massive drops in school enrollment over the past decade due to declining birth rates. It was supposed to be a major funding issue for a large number of districts, since funding is based on enrollment. @Rainman could probably explain it better.
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The US has had declining birth rates for a while. The only reason that the population continues to increase is due to immigration. School age population is actually pretty steady.
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@taiwan_girl said in And they ain't come back.:
The US has had declining birth rates for a while. The only reason that the population continues to increase is due to immigration. School age population is actually pretty steady.
Re read my point above. School age population has remained steady, but ONLY because of illegal migration. Birth rate and legal migration are below replacement level, and badly. And considering the large number of kids being put into Homeschooling, while the school enrollment has maintained would indicate the problem is far worse than you are thinking. And yes, illegal immigrant kids are a massive drain on the educational system. Many don’t speak English, many schools are hiring translators at great expense, and the class can only move as fast as the slowest kids. When every instruction has to be given, then translated?
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@LuFins-Dad said in And they ain't come back.:
@taiwan_girl said in And they ain't come back.:
The US has had declining birth rates for a while. The only reason that the population continues to increase is due to immigration. School age population is actually pretty steady.
Re read my point above. School age population has remained steady, but ONLY because of illegal migration. Birth rate and legal migration are below replacement level, and badly. And considering the large number of kids being put into Homeschooling, while the school enrollment has maintained would indicate the problem is far worse than you are thinking. And yes, illegal immigrant kids are a massive drain on the educational system. Many don’t speak English, many schools are hiring translators at great expense, and the class can only move as fast as the slowest kids. When every instruction has to be given, then translated?
i think you do what we used to do years ago...Teach the classes in English. Give the tests in English. Divide the classes into slow, average and above average. Cut interpreters down to a minimum. The kids will learn. Be fluid in those class divisions and reward kids who can learn and excel. The rest? Try to teach votech as much as possible and give them a few life skills before showing them the door.
With the de-emphasizing of a college education, comes the re-emphasizing of a high school degree. The EASL kids who manage to graduate high school should have a degree that means something, not just an attendance certificate.
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@Jolly said in And they ain't come back.:
i think you do what we used to do years ago...Teach the classes in English. Give the tests in English. Divide the classes into slow, average and above average. Cut interpreters down to a minimum. The kids will learn.
I agree with this. Kids are like "sponges". It is amaze how quickly they can pick up languages if they are in a situation where there is no choice.
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I am not a fan of illegal immigration at all - especially as someone who has jumped through all the legal hoops. But, I also think the ROI on putting kids of illegals through American schools will be positive vs. being below replacement rates.
Ideally, legal immigration would be higher to plug to replacement rate, but a steady or growing population while the developed world's population is declining will be a competitive advantage.
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@xenon said in And they ain't come back.:
I am not a fan of illegal immigration at all - especially as someone who has jumped through all the legal hoops. But, I also think the ROI on putting kids of illegals through American schools will be positive vs. being below replacement rates.
Ideally, legal immigration would be higher to plug to replacement rate, but a steady or growing population while the developed world's population is declining will be a competitive advantage.
I’ve witnessed first hand a HS that was ranked about 7 in the Great School Rankings in 2005 drop to a 2 today because of Illegal Immigrants. https://www.greatschools.org/virginia/herndon/508-Herndon-High-School/ Another local school, Park View HS, has dropped to a 2 as well because of illegal immigration.
Want to guess which two schools in the area have the biggest drug problems? https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/virginia/herndon-high-school-student-suffers-non-fatal-overdose-virginia/65-29d8eebf-ff33-45c1-9552-f55fd1d82081
When Lucas was little, we lived in the Herndon HS district. It was an average HS at that point. The feeder elementary school Luke went to was Hutchison. It was like a 5/10. It was okay at first but got worse every year. As an example, there was a boy that came in when Luke was in 2nd grade that didn’t speak English. This wasn’t that unusual at this point, and all of the classrooms through 2nd grade had Hispanic translators. But the kid refused to speak or learn English. So when he went to 3rd grade, they hired a translator just for him. Then 4th grade and on to 5th, he refused. And other students started following that lead, requiring the school to hire multiple full time translators. Lucas told me that the kid did speak English outside of class. We got out of that school when Luke was in 6th grade and moved to a much better school for MS and HS, but stayed in touch with friends in that district. The kid was arrested in 2017 for dealing.
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And i’m pretty confident that the influx of students hurt the schools in another more subtle way. Schools were starting to panic about budgets in 2018. School funding is almost entirely based on enrollment. The dropping enrollment was going to lead to a severely restricted budgets very shortly. The budget crisis would have necessitated a deep and fundamental reform in the public education system. Now the necessary reform has been postponed.
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Charleroi, PA is my hometown. I was born and raised there. I moved out of the town in 1992 when I was 20. I still lived in the Valley until 1996.
In 2020, Charleroi had a population of 4200. When I graduated HA, there were 90 kids in my class.
Since 2022, Charleroi has had 2000 Haitians Illegals move into the town. It started with 160 that were bussed in by Biden, but word spread about how cheap it was and more started coming. In 2 years, the town increased by 40% and 30% of the population is non-English speaking Haitians.
You can’t find this in the news, despite the havoc that it is wreaking. https://www.syntrinity.org/featured/charleroi-church-a-welcoming-home-for-haitian-refugees/
The high school that was built for ~ 400 students now has 540, 170 of whom don’t speak English.
I’m on the town’s Facebook page. Every day there is a story about car accidents, crimes, assaults, and worse happening in Charleroi. The kids in school are being harassed and assaulted by the Haitians https://www.monvalleyindependent.com/2024/04/17/charleroi-parents-raise-safety-issues/.
It’s absolutely nuts. I doubt there schools have been improved by the influx.
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Good examples @LuFins-Dad
I think in MN homeschooling is up 10%.
I was homeschooled for grades 1,2 and 5. My mom was a great teacher (she later was a public elementary teacher for about 15 years). I’d imagine the resources now with the internet, shared instructors, and so forth make it much more valuable.
Going from homeschooling to public school was a massive social dunk in the deep end. I’d imagine it’s better now but the lack of authentic social exposure is a very big risk, at least as it was back in the 80s.
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Some good friends have home schooled all of their children (6). Their youngest, a set of twins, graduate this coming spring. They participated in a homeschooling co-op. Whatever mom or dad couldn't teach, there was somebody available who could.
For enrichment, all children learned to play a musical instrument or took voice lessons (1-violin, 1 - guitar, 2 - piano, 2 -voice). Two of the girls played soccer for the co-op, two of the boys played basketball. One boy and one girl joined the co-op's little theater company, and performed in plays.
Of the four older kids, two went to college, two attended vo-tech. They lived at home to keeps costs down, while commuting. I don't know what the twins are going to do.
Their kids seem like they've done ok.
