"Hide the Decline"

[Mik]

That's all we've had for 8 years is shitty candidates.

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in "Hide the Decline":

@89th said in "Hide the Decline":

@Mik said in "Hide the Decline":

You think so? It has made me more likely to vote the other way. The GOP had a real primary but lived with the result. The cynicism and corruption of the Democrat party is blindingly obvious.

Yeah I do think it's been perfect timing. Kamala is riding a short-term wave of enthusiasm, energy, youth, money, and a positive message... it'll last only 3-6 months, but just long enough to get her the win in November. I haven't paid attention but I'm sure they're using the Obama playbook (venerable images, "yes she can" slogans, pictures of everyone looking optimistically into the sunset talking about hope for the future...)

I'm not voting democrat, but the energy/positive message is on their side right now. Trump peaked after the bullet whizzed by his year (back when he was against Biden). Now Trump is the side of old man, old message, old insults, he's a convicted felon (like it or not) and his running mate was a bad pick (I think @LuFins-Dad called that one right away).

I think it's too soon to say how this will play out. Trump could easily gain some initiative before November. I do think he's a shitty candidate, but that doesn't mean he'll lose.

The problem is early voting. Starts next month in some states.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in "Hide the Decline":

The problem is early voting.

Considering the inordinate length of American election campaigns, there's got to be a suspicion that complaining about early voting is really just a prelude to Trump claiming the election was stolen again.

[Jolly]

Look at the Pennsylvania fracking issue, last campaign.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in "Hide the Decline":

Look at the Pennsylvania fracking issue, last campaign.

OK, but by that argument, it would be better to wait to vote until after the guy's been in power for a year.

Whether you allow early voting or not is completely arbitrary, as voters on both sides can do it. If somebody is ready to pull the lever why postpone it? Do you honestly believe the chance of Trump making some awful gaffe is any less likely?

[Jolly]

Events can and do change elections.

What would have been the outcome the week after the assassination attempt?

[89th]

@Doctor-Phibes said in "Hide the Decline":

@89th said in "Hide the Decline":

@Mik said in "Hide the Decline":

You think so? It has made me more likely to vote the other way. The GOP had a real primary but lived with the result. The cynicism and corruption of the Democrat party is blindingly obvious.

Yeah I do think it's been perfect timing. Kamala is riding a short-term wave of enthusiasm, energy, youth, money, and a positive message... it'll last only 3-6 months, but just long enough to get her the win in November. I haven't paid attention but I'm sure they're using the Obama playbook (venerable images, "yes she can" slogans, pictures of everyone looking optimistically into the sunset talking about hope for the future...)

I'm not voting democrat, but the energy/positive message is on their side right now. Trump peaked after the bullet whizzed by his year (back when he was against Biden). Now Trump is the side of old man, old message, old insults, he's a convicted felon (like it or not) and his running mate was a bad pick (I think @LuFins-Dad called that one right away).

I think it's too soon to say how this will play out. Trump could easily gain some initiative before November. I do think he's a shitty candidate, but that doesn't mean he'll lose.

Very true. My predictions have been very bad the last few years so it's probably wise to bet against me at this point!

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in "Hide the Decline":

Events can and do change elections.

What would have been the outcome the week after the assassination attempt?

Yes, but does it really matter whether somebody regrets their vote 2 weeks before the election, or for that matter 2 weeks after?

As long as everybody has the same opportunity, then it's a fair election.

[Jolly]

If you have a 60-day voting window, does everyone have the same opportunity?

[LuFins Dad]

@89th said in "Hide the Decline":

@Mik said in "Hide the Decline":

You think so? It has made me more likely to vote the other way. The GOP had a real primary but lived with the result. The cynicism and corruption of the Democrat party is blindingly obvious.

Yeah I do think it's been perfect timing. Kamala is riding a short-term wave of enthusiasm, energy, youth, money, and a positive message... it'll last only 3-6 months, but just long enough to get her the win in November. I haven't paid attention but I'm sure they're using the Obama playbook (venerable images, "yes she can" slogans, pictures of everyone looking optimistically into the sunset talking about hope for the future...)

I'm not voting democrat, but the energy/positive message is on their side right now. Trump peaked after the bullet whizzed by his year (back when he was against Biden). Now Trump is the side of old man, old message, old insults, he's a convicted felon (like it or not) and his running mate was a bad pick (I think @LuFins-Dad called that one right away).

As soon as the convention is over, the honeymoon is over. I’ve already seen several mainstream media outlets starting to complain about the lack of press conferences and interviews. She simply cannot go from August to October without some media interaction… She is sitting at her peak. She cannot go higher and has nowhere to go but down. The only chance she has is maintaining the enthusiasm for 12 weeks. That is unlikely.

[Jolly]

@89th said in "Hide the Decline":

and his running mate was a bad pick

I think Youngkin would have been a better pick, but Vance is not bad.

Have you heard him interviewed? The guy is smart and can think on his feet.

And nobody has an equal to his backstory.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in "Hide the Decline":

If you have a 60-day voting window, does everyone have the same opportunity?

Of course they do. Nobody's being forced to vote at any given time, and everybody gets to vote once.

I don't really understand the obsession with this issue. If there is voter fraud, then deal with it, but having a voting window doesn't discriminate against anybody. People are free to make mistakes, and regret them at their leisure.

[Mik]

A 60 day window is too long IMO. Two weeks should be plenty.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Mik said in "Hide the Decline":

A 60 day window is too long IMO. Two weeks should be plenty.

Yes, you've got a point. The entire British election campaign took less time than that.

Maybe that's worth a look if you want to save some money....

[George K]

@Doctor-Phibes said in "Hide the Decline":

Yes, you've got a point. The entire British election campaign took less time than that.

Maybe that's worth a look if you want to save some money....

Nah. Then what would we talk about?

[Doctor Phibes]

@George-K said in "Hide the Decline":

@Doctor-Phibes said in "Hide the Decline":

Yes, you've got a point. The entire British election campaign took less time than that.

Maybe that's worth a look if you want to save some money....

Nah. Then what would we talk about?

We could work on increasing the group's self-esteem in a series of self-affirming fireside chats.

[Doctor Phibes]

OK, on second thought, fuck that.

[Mik]

@Doctor-Phibes said in "Hide the Decline":

@Mik said in "Hide the Decline":

A 60 day window is too long IMO. Two weeks should be plenty.

Yes, you've got a point. The entire British election campaign took less time than that.

Maybe that's worth a look if you want to save some money....

From your lips to God's ear.

[Mik]

@Doctor-Phibes said in "Hide the Decline":

@George-K said in "Hide the Decline":

@Doctor-Phibes said in "Hide the Decline":

Yes, you've got a point. The entire British election campaign took less time than that.

Maybe that's worth a look if you want to save some money....

Nah. Then what would we talk about?

We could work on increasing the group's self-esteem in a series of self-affirming fireside chats.

Phibes has clearly been hacked.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Mik said in "Hide the Decline":

Phibes has clearly been hacked.

Just channeling my inner Aqua.