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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by Jolly
    #14

    If we were doing what was good for the country, The Resident would have left over a year ago...

    The Dems are in it for power. That's why they stabbed Biden with multiple knives like murdering Caesar.

    And if they'll do that to the man that got 81M votes last election and won over 95% of his party's delegates, wonder what they'll do with the MSM and the voting booth?

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • jon-nycJ Online
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      #15

      These arguments fall flat to me. We didn’t have a fucking primary. No party of an incumbent has had a real primary since 1980.

      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        #16

        Well, no more retail politics or trudging through the Iowa and New Hampshire snow.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          These arguments fall flat to me. We didn’t have a fucking primary. No party of an incumbent has had a real primary since 1980.

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          LuFins Dad
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          #17

          @jon-nyc said in Democracy?:

          No party of an incumbent has had a real competitive primary since 1980.

          FIFY. The D primary was quite real. It actually happened. Millions of people cast their votes, only to have those votes tossed away. By democracy, I suppose Dean Phillips ought to be the nominee, since he had the second most popular votes…

          The Brad

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          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

            @jon-nyc said in Democracy?:

            No party of an incumbent has had a real competitive primary since 1980.

            FIFY. The D primary was quite real. It actually happened. Millions of people cast their votes, only to have those votes tossed away. By democracy, I suppose Dean Phillips ought to be the nominee, since he had the second most popular votes…

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            #18

            @LuFins-Dad said in Democracy?:

            Millions of people cast their votes, only to have those votes tossed away.

            It was only 15M or so, and they were little people, anyway...

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • jon-nycJ Online
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              jon-nyc
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              #19

              I heard someone mention a post-debate poll that said 75% of democrats wanted someone other than Biden.

              The GOP has had weeks to plan for this. You’d think they could have come up with a better talking point than ‘this is an anti-democratic coup’.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                #20

                The Trump campaign dropped the first commercial criticizing Harris within the first hour or so.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • MikM Offline
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                  #21

                  And Harris had her fund raising website up before the ink was dry on Joe's letter.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • LuFins DadL Offline
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                    #22

                    In all fairness, I’m sure this isn’t how Kamala wanted this to go down. I’m sure she wanted him to win reelection.

                    And then have to step down in February of 2025…

                    The Brad

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                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                      In all fairness, I’m sure this isn’t how Kamala wanted this to go down. I’m sure she wanted him to win reelection.

                      And then have to step down in February of 2025…

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                      @LuFins-Dad said in Democracy?:

                      In all fairness, I’m sure this isn’t how Kamala wanted this to go down. I’m sure she wanted him to win reelection.

                      And then have to step down in February of 2025…

                      You sir, are right.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        wrote on last edited by Mik
                        #24

                        Why should she want to have to run? I'm sure the 2020 primary is front and center in her mind.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
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                          If Kamala is the nominee, and if she wins, she will be the mouth and face of the Democrats until 2032.

                          I understand that Obama has not yet endorsed her.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            #26

                            I'm not surprised. If I read the tea leaves correctly, most Dems do not believe she's a real improvement over Biden. No sizzle, lots of historical fizzle.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              #27

                              If President Biden had indicated a year ago that he was not going to run for election, I really doubt that VP Harris would be the nominee today.

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                                #28

                                Notice ... Since Biden resigned the nomination, not a single bad angle, not a single bad picture of Kamala -lama-ding-dong.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  #29

                                  Some highlights from a Marist poll:

                                  87% of Americans think Biden’s decision to drop out of the 2024 presidential race was the right thing to do. 12% believe it was the wrong thing to do.

                                  77% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents say Harris should be the party’s nominee. 22% think the Democrats should find someone else to challenge Harris.

                                  https://maristpoll.marist.edu/polls/election-2024-whats-next/

                                  (I’m among the 22 FWIW.)

                                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    Some highlights from a Marist poll:

                                    87% of Americans think Biden’s decision to drop out of the 2024 presidential race was the right thing to do. 12% believe it was the wrong thing to do.

                                    77% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents say Harris should be the party’s nominee. 22% think the Democrats should find someone else to challenge Harris.

                                    https://maristpoll.marist.edu/polls/election-2024-whats-next/

                                    (I’m among the 22 FWIW.)

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                                    @jon-nyc said in Democracy?:

                                    Some highlights from a Marist poll:

                                    87% of Americans think Biden’s decision to drop out of the 2024 presidential race was the right thing to do. 12% believe it was the wrong thing to do.

                                    77% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents say Harris should be the party’s nominee. 22% think the Democrats should find someone else to challenge Harris.

                                    https://maristpoll.marist.edu/polls/election-2024-whats-next/

                                    (I’m among the 22 FWIW.)

                                    Too bad opinion polls aren’t democratic. By the way, 77% of the Pro-Biden voters in 2020 chose not to participate in this year’s primaries. Choosing not to vote is a choice as well.

                                    The Brad

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      #31

                                      71% of pro-trump voters from 2016 failed to vote in the 2020 primary. That’s par for the course in uncompetitive primaries.

                                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                      -Cormac McCarthy

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