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You’d think a combination of drone footage and AI would make such a thing impossible. You’d imagine anything that looks like a man holding a rifle would be instantaneously recognized and localized.
wrote on 14 Jul 2024, 12:57 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Trump - Butler, PA:
You’d think a combination of drone footage and AI would make such a thing impossible. You’d imagine anything that looks like a man holding a rifle would be instantaneously recognized and localized.
Still takes human eyeballs to decipher. We don’t have drones everywhere, yet. And AI told us that Jimmy Carter was George Bush’s VP.
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wrote on 14 Jul 2024, 12:57 last edited by
I don’t think anybody should get into trouble over this. If the secret service did its best, then that is all anybody can ask. Just like Biden and his candidacy.
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wrote on 14 Jul 2024, 12:59 last edited by
Secret Service does a prelim and threat assessment, but they are mostly concerned with the area within their secure perimeter. Magnetometers were in place and they weren't even letting grandmothers carry their shade umbrellas in the rally.
Outside the rally is the responsibility of local and state authorities. You may have some Secret service liaison personnel with them.
Just a SWAG, but there were apparently multiple camouflaged officers dispersed at different points. Maybe, just maybe, some of the hesitation in reaction was local law enforcement trying to confirm the shooter did not belong?
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wrote on 14 Jul 2024, 14:15 last edited by
The Secret Service will be chastised for this. But Mr. Trump is alive.
"Having worked with the Secret Service before, as I was watching this unfold, I could not believe how long this played out before they got him off of that stage into the car, and then it took that vehicle that long to depart that area. It was a lifetime from a protection standpoint," former FBI Special Agent Jonathan Gilliam said during a special Sunday broadcast of "Fox & Friends First."
"A lot of people on the news… didn't want to be critical of the Secret Service but, as I watch this again… I'm astounded at the way things played out because it appeared as though it was being that the defense of Trump and the movements off were being made up as they went along, and that is not the way this elite service should be prepared for this and carrying out these tactics and this type of situation."
"If there had been a second shooter, there would have been plenty of opportunity to take him out again, so this breaks every rule of the Secret Service protocol and just general executive protection in general."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/split-second-turn-trump-life-expert-god-watching
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Secret Service does a prelim and threat assessment, but they are mostly concerned with the area within their secure perimeter. Magnetometers were in place and they weren't even letting grandmothers carry their shade umbrellas in the rally.
Outside the rally is the responsibility of local and state authorities. You may have some Secret service liaison personnel with them.
Just a SWAG, but there were apparently multiple camouflaged officers dispersed at different points. Maybe, just maybe, some of the hesitation in reaction was local law enforcement trying to confirm the shooter did not belong?
wrote on 14 Jul 2024, 14:20 last edited by@Jolly said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Secret Service does a prelim and threat assessment, but they are mostly concerned with the area within their secure perimeter. Magnetometers were in place and they weren't even letting grandmothers carry their shade umbrellas in the rally.
Outside the rally is the responsibility of local and state authorities. You may have some Secret service liaison personnel with them.
Just a SWAG, but there were apparently multiple camouflaged officers dispersed at different points. Maybe, just maybe, some of the hesitation in reaction was local law enforcement trying to confirm the shooter did not belong?
They might want to revisit the guidelines about ignoring everything outside their perimeter, if a gunman could easily take a shot from outside that perimeter.
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wrote on 14 Jul 2024, 14:23 last edited by
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wrote on 14 Jul 2024, 14:30 last edited by
You can be sure a well-glazed pinup of Thomas Crooks is on that man’s pillow as we speak.
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The Secret Service will be chastised for this. But Mr. Trump is alive.
"Having worked with the Secret Service before, as I was watching this unfold, I could not believe how long this played out before they got him off of that stage into the car, and then it took that vehicle that long to depart that area. It was a lifetime from a protection standpoint," former FBI Special Agent Jonathan Gilliam said during a special Sunday broadcast of "Fox & Friends First."
"A lot of people on the news… didn't want to be critical of the Secret Service but, as I watch this again… I'm astounded at the way things played out because it appeared as though it was being that the defense of Trump and the movements off were being made up as they went along, and that is not the way this elite service should be prepared for this and carrying out these tactics and this type of situation."
"If there had been a second shooter, there would have been plenty of opportunity to take him out again, so this breaks every rule of the Secret Service protocol and just general executive protection in general."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/split-second-turn-trump-life-expert-god-watching
wrote on 14 Jul 2024, 14:34 last edited by@Copper said in Trump - Butler, PA:
The Secret Service will be chastised for this. But Mr. Trump is alive.
"Having worked with the Secret Service before, as I was watching this unfold, I could not believe how long this played out before they got him off of that stage into the car, and then it took that vehicle that long to depart that area. It was a lifetime from a protection standpoint," former FBI Special Agent Jonathan Gilliam said during a special Sunday broadcast of "Fox & Friends First."
"A lot of people on the news… didn't want to be critical of the Secret Service but, as I watch this again… I'm astounded at the way things played out because it appeared as though it was being that the defense of Trump and the movements off were being made up as they went along, and that is not the way this elite service should be prepared for this and carrying out these tactics and this type of situation."
"If there had been a second shooter, there would have been plenty of opportunity to take him out again, so this breaks every rule of the Secret Service protocol and just general executive protection in general."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/split-second-turn-trump-life-expert-god-watching
I think he's wrong. When Trump went down, he was behind a bullet-proof panel. The first agents shielded him with their bodies. Those agents did not let Trump get up from behind the barrier, until they clearly heard "Shooter down!"
Where they were probably wrong, was when Trump first asked for his shoes (I don't know if they waited for that) but then he could be heard telling them to "Wait!" That's when you got the fist pumps and Trump yelling "Fight! Fight!", and they hesitated for just a second or two before loading him into the SUV.
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wrote on 14 Jul 2024, 15:17 last edited by
Unfortunately, I think that if someone is desparate enough and does not fear consequences, it is impossible to eliminate all threats to a public figure like the president. It is sad that it has to be worried about.
(I am sure that many here on this forum board have read the book/seen the movie "Day of the Jackal". The only reason President DeGaulle is not shot is that he turns his head at the last moment. I kind of thought of that when this happened.)
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wrote on 14 Jul 2024, 15:52 last edited by
If former secret service agents and law enforcement officials want to be critical of the actions or steps, well they know better than me, but the guys that tried to protect and made a mistake are not on my blame list at all.
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wrote on 14 Jul 2024, 16:08 last edited by
The shooter was dead in seconds and Trump protected. If all these things could be completely prevented we wouldn’t need nearly the people.
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wrote on 14 Jul 2024, 16:10 last edited by
Meanwhile, a rooftop 130 yards away was uncovered and unmanned.
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wrote on 14 Jul 2024, 16:17 last edited by
And unmonitored.
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wrote on 14 Jul 2024, 16:19 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Trump - Butler, PA:
And unmonitored.
At least by authorities. Several people noted activity on the rooftop, including a ladder braced against the side of the building.
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wrote on 14 Jul 2024, 22:02 last edited by
Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
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Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
wrote on 14 Jul 2024, 22:45 last edited by@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
If Crooks had the drop on him and he hadn't pulled his weapon, it would have been suicide for the cop to engage Crooks. That brings to mind a couple of things...Did the officer have his weapon drawn? Did Crooks know the officer and let him walk?
It explains the missed shots, though.
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@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
If Crooks had the drop on him and he hadn't pulled his weapon, it would have been suicide for the cop to engage Crooks. That brings to mind a couple of things...Did the officer have his weapon drawn? Did Crooks know the officer and let him walk?
It explains the missed shots, though.
wrote on 14 Jul 2024, 23:54 last edited by@Jolly said in Trump - Butler, PA:
@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
If Crooks had the drop on him and he hadn't pulled his weapon, it would have been suicide for the cop to engage Crooks. That brings to mind a couple of things...Did the officer have his weapon drawn? Did Crooks know the officer and let him walk?
It explains the missed shots, though.
So you don’t think the finger of God pushed the bullet away from Trump?
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@Jolly said in Trump - Butler, PA:
@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
If Crooks had the drop on him and he hadn't pulled his weapon, it would have been suicide for the cop to engage Crooks. That brings to mind a couple of things...Did the officer have his weapon drawn? Did Crooks know the officer and let him walk?
It explains the missed shots, though.
So you don’t think the finger of God pushed the bullet away from Trump?
wrote on 15 Jul 2024, 00:11 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Trump - Butler, PA:
So you don’t think the finger of God pushed the bullet away from Trump?
Nah. It was a Matrix Neo move.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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wrote on 15 Jul 2024, 00:33 last edited by
Cory Mills (R-FL).
Currently on FOX. Guy was a counter -sniper. Worth listening to. Pointed out multiple flaws and/or shortcomings in the counter-sniper response.
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@Jolly said in Trump - Butler, PA:
@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
If Crooks had the drop on him and he hadn't pulled his weapon, it would have been suicide for the cop to engage Crooks. That brings to mind a couple of things...Did the officer have his weapon drawn? Did Crooks know the officer and let him walk?
It explains the missed shots, though.
So you don’t think the finger of God pushed the bullet away from Trump?
wrote on 15 Jul 2024, 00:37 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Trump - Butler, PA:
@Jolly said in Trump - Butler, PA:
@George-K said in Trump - Butler, PA:
Not long before shots rang out, rallygoers noticed a man climbing to the roof of a nearby building and warned local police, according to two law enforcement officials.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Did this cop train at Uvalde?
If Crooks had the drop on him and he hadn't pulled his weapon, it would have been suicide for the cop to engage Crooks. That brings to mind a couple of things...Did the officer have his weapon drawn? Did Crooks know the officer and let him walk?
It explains the missed shots, though.
So you don’t think the finger of God pushed the bullet away from Trump?
I think Huckaby had an interesting take on the current state of America. He said we are currently experiencing a spiritual crisis.
Maybe if you think about it, Huckaby may have a point...
