Be like Argentina
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Elon Musk should be forced to hand count his money before filling in his tax return. If that weird fucking guy up the road can do it, so can he!
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The only way I could see an election being as close to "transparent and auditable" is if election results were immediately posted online for you to see and you could enter your SSN and see how your vote was counted, presuming your SSN is connected to your vote.
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I remember in 2000 saying to an older buddy that they should give you a paper receipt for your vote.
He said, Nope. I’m from Chicago and can tell you that’s a really bad idea.
As soon as you can prove how you voted you can sell your vote.
Same problem with your lookup scheme.
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Every year, there are always clerks, politicians, and whatever arrested in Philadelphia, Chicago, Atlanta, and Detroit for ballot stuffing, fraud, miscounts, etc… There was a very sophisticated ring in Philadelphia… But we are asked to believe that nothing happened in 2020?
Okay…
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Every year, there are always clerks, politicians, and whatever arrested in Philadelphia, Chicago, Atlanta, and Detroit for ballot stuffing, fraud, miscounts, etc… There was a very sophisticated ring in Philadelphia… But we are asked to believe that nothing happened in 2020?
Okay…
@LuFins-Dad said in Be like Argentina:
Every year, there are always clerks, politicians, and whatever arrested in Philadelphia, Chicago, Atlanta, and Detroit for ballot stuffing, fraud, miscounts, etc… There was a very sophisticated ring in Philadelphia… But we are asked to believe that nothing happened in 2020?
Okay…
Haven't there been a number of prosecutions?
.....But, we are asked to believe that all the fraud was Democrat?
Okay.....
I was only joking
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No one asks to you to believe that in a country of 330MM nothing happened.
By the way, I remember Larry talking about all the fraud in Philly in 2020 but he got quiet when I showed him that Philly had had a redward shift and the burbs shifted blue - exactly like the polling had predicted.
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Obviously, there's always going to be fraud. The idea that it is so widespread and there's some kind of conspiracy is definitely open to question.
Meanwhile, Elon Musk wants the US to emulate Argentina, with its long history of free and fair elections and commitment to democratic principles.
I was only joking
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@LuFins-Dad said in Be like Argentina:
Every year, there are always clerks, politicians, and whatever arrested in Philadelphia, Chicago, Atlanta, and Detroit for ballot stuffing, fraud, miscounts, etc… There was a very sophisticated ring in Philadelphia… But we are asked to believe that nothing happened in 2020?
Okay…
Haven't there been a number of prosecutions?
.....But, we are asked to believe that all the fraud was Democrat?
Okay.....
@Doctor-Phibes said in Be like Argentina:
@LuFins-Dad said in Be like Argentina:
Every year, there are always clerks, politicians, and whatever arrested in Philadelphia, Chicago, Atlanta, and Detroit for ballot stuffing, fraud, miscounts, etc… There was a very sophisticated ring in Philadelphia… But we are asked to believe that nothing happened in 2020?
Okay…
Haven't there been a number of prosecutions?
.....But, we are asked to believe that all the fraud was Democrat?
Okay.....
Prithee, what percentage of voters and elected officials (including voting officials) in Philadelphia, Chicago, Atlanta, and Detroit are Democrats?
Not saying Republicans don't engage in vote fraud, they do. But the Dems do it on a much larger, organized scale.
I've said before, I'm from the Land of the Longs. The governor who once bragged that he could take a few paper clips and rubber bands, and make a voting machine whistle Dixie. Where the Long Machine kept a Deduct Box for state worker's "contributions". Where precinct captains were handed bags of cash and given bonuses for high percentage wins. Where black church pastors were paid in cash to electioneer from the pulpit.
And where a lot of crap was still going on until 2005. Where some of it still goes on.
The GOP ain't perfect, but they're innocent choirboys compared to what I've experienced from the Democrats...
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Be like Argentina:
@LuFins-Dad said in Be like Argentina:
Every year, there are always clerks, politicians, and whatever arrested in Philadelphia, Chicago, Atlanta, and Detroit for ballot stuffing, fraud, miscounts, etc… There was a very sophisticated ring in Philadelphia… But we are asked to believe that nothing happened in 2020?
Okay…
Haven't there been a number of prosecutions?
.....But, we are asked to believe that all the fraud was Democrat?
Okay.....
Prithee, what percentage of voters and elected officials (including voting officials) in Philadelphia, Chicago, Atlanta, and Detroit are Democrats?
Not saying Republicans don't engage in vote fraud, they do. But the Dems do it on a much larger, organized scale.
I've said before, I'm from the Land of the Longs. The governor who once bragged that he could take a few paper clips and rubber bands, and make a voting machine whistle Dixie. Where the Long Machine kept a Deduct Box for state worker's "contributions". Where precinct captains were handed bags of cash and given bonuses for high percentage wins. Where black church pastors were paid in cash to electioneer from the pulpit.
And where a lot of crap was still going on until 2005. Where some of it still goes on.
The GOP ain't perfect, but they're innocent choirboys compared to what I've experienced from the Democrats...
@Jolly said in Be like Argentina:
Not saying Republicans don't engage in vote fraud, they do. But the Dems do it on a much larger, organized scale.
Which would make more news? 100 voter fraud in one location or 1 voter fraud in 100 different locations?
I just dont think that the Republics have some sort of "moral superiority" when it comes to politics.
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Obviously, there's always going to be fraud. The idea that it is so widespread and there's some kind of conspiracy is definitely open to question.
Meanwhile, Elon Musk wants the US to emulate Argentina, with its long history of free and fair elections and commitment to democratic principles.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Be like Argentina:
Obviously, there's always going to be fraud. The idea that it is so widespread and there's some kind of conspiracy is definitely open to question.
Meanwhile, Elon Musk wants the US to emulate Argentina, with its long history of free and fair elections and commitment to democratic principles.
Conspiracy? Maybe on a local level, but nothing all that grand. Just a thumb on the scales here or there by well meaning folk trying to prevent Orange Hitler.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Be like Argentina:
Obviously, there's always going to be fraud. The idea that it is so widespread and there's some kind of conspiracy is definitely open to question.
Meanwhile, Elon Musk wants the US to emulate Argentina, with its long history of free and fair elections and commitment to democratic principles.
Conspiracy? Maybe on a local level, but nothing all that grand. Just a thumb on the scales here or there by well meaning folk trying to prevent Orange Hitler.
@LuFins-Dad said in Be like Argentina:
Conspiracy? Maybe on a local level, but nothing all that grand. Just a thumb on the scales here or there by well meaning folk trying to prevent Orange Hitler.
That's not what the people who believe the election was stolen think happened.
I think the single worst thing that Trump has done since he initially ran for President is to destroy a lot of people's confidence in the electoral process, and at this point it's going to be very difficult to get the turd back in the bottle.
I was only joking
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Be like Argentina:
@LuFins-Dad said in Be like Argentina:
Every year, there are always clerks, politicians, and whatever arrested in Philadelphia, Chicago, Atlanta, and Detroit for ballot stuffing, fraud, miscounts, etc… There was a very sophisticated ring in Philadelphia… But we are asked to believe that nothing happened in 2020?
Okay…
Haven't there been a number of prosecutions?
.....But, we are asked to believe that all the fraud was Democrat?
Okay.....
Prithee, what percentage of voters and elected officials (including voting officials) in Philadelphia, Chicago, Atlanta, and Detroit are Democrats?
Not saying Republicans don't engage in vote fraud, they do. But the Dems do it on a much larger, organized scale.
I've said before, I'm from the Land of the Longs. The governor who once bragged that he could take a few paper clips and rubber bands, and make a voting machine whistle Dixie. Where the Long Machine kept a Deduct Box for state worker's "contributions". Where precinct captains were handed bags of cash and given bonuses for high percentage wins. Where black church pastors were paid in cash to electioneer from the pulpit.
And where a lot of crap was still going on until 2005. Where some of it still goes on.
The GOP ain't perfect, but they're innocent choirboys compared to what I've experienced from the Democrats...
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@LuFins-Dad said in Be like Argentina:
Conspiracy? Maybe on a local level, but nothing all that grand. Just a thumb on the scales here or there by well meaning folk trying to prevent Orange Hitler.
That's not what the people who believe the election was stolen think happened.
I think the single worst thing that Trump has done since he initially ran for President is to destroy a lot of people's confidence in the electoral process, and at this point it's going to be very difficult to get the turd back in the bottle.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Be like Argentina:
@LuFins-Dad said in Be like Argentina:
Conspiracy? Maybe on a local level, but nothing all that grand. Just a thumb on the scales here or there by well meaning folk trying to prevent Orange Hitler.
That's not what the people who believe the election was stolen think happened.
I think the single worst thing that Trump has done since he initially ran for President is to destroy a lot of people's confidence in the electoral process, and at this point it's going to be very difficult to get the turd back in the bottle.
God, from his lips to your ears.
Some of that confidence needs to be destroyed. One of Trump's facets is to be an agent of chaos that exposes flaws in the system. We have a voting problem, especially in some big cities, but it crops up all over the country, from time to time.
We need election integrity. We need only citizens to vote. We need voter ID. We need systems that cannot be hacked or compromised. We need absentee voting, but we don't need citizens voting by mail, unless A)they request a ballot, and B)the postmark on that ballot is within three weeks of the election, and C) the ballot is received no later than by the time the polls close on election day.
This is not a Republican, Democrat or Independent issue. This is an everybody issue. And if it takes some superball bouncing around the room breaking voter confidence glass to enact meaningful reform, I'm all for it.
